[FRIAM] Newborn Heart Rate

Mon Oct 4 10:05:09 EDT 2021

Textbook knowledge:

*wu wei *is the Taoist close equivalent to Vedic / Buddhist "non-attached action."The most often cited "description" of this idea is Arjuna's dilemma as laid out in the Bhagavad-Gita. To qualify, an action must be "correct" based on a perfect knowledge of all the factors affecting that action, AND, it must be free of "motivation" including desire, fear, ego, etc.

Experiential knowledge:

wu wei is very akin to "being in the flow" — actions without conscious awareness, each one exactly and precisely correct in context. There is no sense of an "actor" just the actions.  

Favorite example:

Sesshu's Long Scroll (Landscapes of the Four Seasons) — ink and color washes, 1.25 feet by 51 feet, *"Painted by Sesshu Toyo, formerly holder of the first seat at Tine-'tung, _on a sunny afternoon _in December in the eighteenth year of the Bummei era at the age of sixtey-seven." (emphasis mine)*

*davew*
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On Sun, Oct 3, 2021, at 10:04 PM, David Eric Smith wrote:
> I think about as opposite to nugatory as one could get.
> 
> Wu wei more like having an affect “get itself done” without making a big noise about doing it.  A kind of more efficient getting-done by avoiding the distractions of self-conscious effort.
> 
> 
>> On Oct 3, 2021, at 11:35 PM, <thompnickson2 at gmail.com> <thompnickson2 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Speaking of words, I thought wuwei was interesting.  It seems to mean “nugatory”.
>>  
>> Nick Thompson
>> ThompNickSon2 at gmail.com
>> https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/ <https://linkprotect.cudasvc.com/url?a=https%3a%2f%2fwordpress.clarku.edu%2fnthompson%2f&c=E,1,Ij17EYApMiN8t3Mmm9A7FtYZSJny8GYj9KJi_9qFqDW4BDng44ZCdRAOmpvMEA5Q9uwiAmvtySRt-GnlSnYsf-KeTfd3USCVj_1TxO26yKweInDWGpYgu3ME&typo=1>
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>> *From:* Friam <friam-bounces at redfish.com> *On Behalf Of *Stephen Guerin
>> *Sent:* Sunday, October 3, 2021 4:02 PM
>> *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <friam at redfish.com>
>> *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] Newborn Heart Rate
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>> On Sat, Oct 2, 2021 at 5:57 PM <thompnickson2 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Just to be clear – and perhaps nerdishly literal minded – I would NEVER claim that word play alone is science; I would only claim that it has a role to play.
>>>  
>>> On Sat, Oct 2, 2021 at 10:59 AM <thompnickson2 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>  You might help me distinguish between vicious DAWW and virtuous DAWW.  You might exile me.  But you probably won’t get me to stop. 
>>> 
>>> If we follow the virtuous DAWW, it feels like wuwei  <https://linkprotect.cudasvc.com/url?a=https%3a%2f%2fwww.mdbg.net%2fchinese%2fdictionary%3fwdqb%3dc%253A%252A%25E6%2597%25A0%25E4%25B8%25BA%252A%26wdrst%3d0&c=E,1,6NKjr0rPrQHfEug3lJFE3AHXuMSXXv2QKNN952DgM7cmiyEWDf3OtLL5oQZT5HU0EP29GkU3REwYBagPNmq31arungH_cMB6hCf8P-aAMVoRjw,,&typo=1>science to me. Who needs action <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Action_(physics)> when you got words? We are but meat puppets playing with nirvana <https://youtu.be/Sj8UbmdV7bk?t=53>.
>>> 
>> Nick, I absolutely see the value in wordplay (DAWW) and do think it's an important part of science and mathematics.
>> 
>> I was being perhaps a little too clever in my own mind with my obtuse DAWW riff above.  At the risk of over parsing (like the risk of explaining a joke)  virtuous DAWW triggered the homophone of the Dao (道) and its central concept of wu-wei, which is often inaccurately translated as inaction but closer to right action / Least (stationary) action in physics for me. 
>>  
>> This then triggered lyrics of one of my favorite songs, Plateau <https://linkprotect.cudasvc.com/url?a=https%3a%2f%2fgenius.com%2fNirvana-plateau-lyrics&c=E,1,2GvrTw2WSWTx3IBxVEZqG4474T11-mOLxHb7QY2TXHAU3HYY9bbbKyp4azluFWNnZcUNIOYLn8JBvV_v1NxxzW0KtwlH-reMefytYkKPiQ8RD0rLoHfAQA,,&typo=1> from the Meat Puppets,  "who needs action when you got words". To me, the line captures your and my relationship where I'm struggling with generalizing the concept of Action in Complex Systems and you are working your thoughts out with words. I find this a healthy dialogue!
>>  
>> And then I couldn't resist sharing the MTV unplugged concert where Nirvana covered the Meat Puppets song with one of the Meat Puppets playing on stage. The link to Youtube is to that line in the song in the performance.  So the literal Meat Puppet playing with Nivana mutated to "we are but meat puppets playing with Nirvana" gave me 15 minutes of interesting private contemplation of a puppet master animating our puppets and wooing our puppet minds with Nirvana.
>>   
>> Certainly too obtuse of references and self-indulgent to post but what the hell.
>> 
>> So I really do appreciate your DAWW and was just trying to join in and play with your dicking. :-)
>> 
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