[FRIAM] Thread Bust: WAS: stygmergy, CA's, and [biological] development
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Mon Oct 25 16:12:46 EDT 2021
Thank you everybody, thank you Steve. The netlogo model was exactly what I was looking for. I thought I had done my due diligence on that cite, but indeed, as usual, I hadn’t.
I will get it to them straight way.
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Nick
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From: Friam <friam-bounces at redfish.com> On Behalf Of Stephen Guerin
Sent: Monday, October 25, 2021 1:34 PM
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Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Thread Bust: WAS: stygmergy, CA's, and [biological] development
Nick,
I put the standard Netlogo CA model set to rule 30 online here
https://redfish.com/models/CARule30.html
Hit setup or setup-random then go. You can play with the rule set on the left. Note as a binary bits, the CA number ranges from 0-255 depending on which bits are switched on. Play with the show rules button too.
There are hundreds of others on the web, but the Netlogo version is easy for Miles to download and modify. And, he can get into agent-based modeling of so many other phenomena. We showed him a bit during his internship. There's also slime mold aggregation example in netlogo of which I previously posted Owen's agentscript.org <http://agentscript.org> version:
https://www.netlogoweb.org/launch#https://www.netlogoweb.org/assets/modelslib/Sample%20Models/Biology/Slime.nlogo
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On Mon, Oct 25, 2021 at 10:44 AM <thompnickson2 at gmail.com <mailto:thompnickson2 at gmail.com> > wrote:
Thanks, Barry,
Yours was the only suggestion, so I really appreciate it.
Before I wrote the list, I did go to that website and poke around, but did not find what I was looking for. It puzzles me because it seems an easy program to make and I would expect that professors would the writing it for their students everywhere. I will follow your suggestions closely.
I bought the book on line. It came in a day. I can assure you that the pages are NOT blank. It is as full of wonder as I remember it.
I truly believe that you wizards hold the key to the universe if you could but put it in Citizen Talk.
Nick
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From: Friam <friam-bounces at redfish.com <mailto:friam-bounces at redfish.com> > On Behalf Of Barry MacKichan
Sent: Monday, October 25, 2021 9:35 AM
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Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Thread Bust: WAS: stygmergy, CA's, and [biological] development
You might want to try <https://www.wolfram.com/language/> https://www.wolfram.com/language/. This could work since the “programming” needed is minima (given that you have the interpretating program). See also <https://www.wolfram.com/language/11/new-visualization-domains/plot-cellular-automata.html> https://www.wolfram.com/language/11/new-visualization-domains/plot-cellular-automata.html. There seem to be free versions of some of the programs and, if not, there are usually student prices.
A totally off-thread anecdote. At some academic conference where both Wolfram and we were exhibiting, the Wolfram exhibit featured his new (then) book, ‘A New Kind of Science’, very hefty at something like 1000 pages, and attractive graphics on the cover. I went up to their booth to thumb through the book. Every page was blank. I hear it eventually got fleshed out.
—Barry
On 25 Oct 2021, at 1:37, thompnickson2 at gmail.com <mailto:thompnickson2 at gmail.com> wrote:
Hey, Ed,
Perhaps you are the person to answer this question: I have snared both of my grandchildren in CA #30, the -son because he is interested in pattern formation in regenerating planaria and the -daughter because she likes really neat stuff. I would like to give them simple programs so they could generate any one of the 256 rules and see the consequences of them. I thought I would find several readily at hand, but what I did was a serious of sites which schooled me to write such a program myself. I am too old for that. Do you know of any I could email to my -children? It is the first time in years that I have actually caught their fancy with something, so it would really make me happy.
Thanks,
Nick
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From: Friam <friam-bounces at redfish.com <mailto:friam-bounces at redfish.com> > On Behalf Of Angel Edward
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Subject: Re: [FRIAM] stygmergy, CA's, and [biological] development
In an affine space (vector space + point), an ant’s position is a point and a path or trail can be described by vectors.
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On Oct 24, 2021, at 5:27 PM, Frank Wimberly <wimberly3 at gmail.com <mailto:wimberly3 at gmail.com> > wrote:
Focusing the application of ant foraging, what is the scalar product of an ant? What is the sum of two ants. Same questions for pheromone trails. If the answer is that scalar product and sum are not general enough. What are the homomorphisms of ants and pheromone trails?
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On Sun, Oct 24, 2021, 5:12 PM Jon Zingale <jonzingale at gmail.com <mailto:jonzingale at gmail.com> > wrote:
I want to clarify what a dual space is. I think it is much more general
than Frank thinks it is: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adjoint_functors
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