[FRIAM] gen'fur

[Frank Wimberly]

Did you read the article about aborting babies with Down Syndrome?

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Frank C. Wimberly
140 Calle Ojo Feliz,
Santa Fe, NM 87505

505 670-9918
Santa Fe, NM

On Thu, Sep 9, 2021, 6:00 PM ⛧ glen <gepropella at gmail.com> wrote:

> Apples can be red. ... Wait what? What were we talking about? "I have no
> idea what's goin' on."
>
> On September 9, 2021 4:54:42 PM PDT, Marcus Daniels <marcus at snoutfarm.com>
> wrote:
> >Puppies are adorable.
> >
> >From: Friam <friam-bounces at redfish.com> On Behalf Of Frank Wimberly
> >Sent: Thursday, September 9, 2021 4:33 PM
> >To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <friam at redfish.com
> >
> >Subject: Re: [FRIAM] gen'fur
> >
> >Down's babies are adorable.
> >---
> >Frank C. Wimberly
> >140 Calle Ojo Feliz,
> >Santa Fe, NM 87505
> >
> >505 670-9918
> >Santa Fe, NM
> >
> >On Thu, Sep 9, 2021, 3:32 PM Marcus Daniels <marcus at snoutfarm.com<mailto:
> marcus at snoutfarm.com>> wrote:
> >Or they are reprogramming their people to be smarter!
> >(Actually, deCODE is owned by Amgen now.)
> >
> >Selection is already occurring, so it isn't as if this is some sci-fi
> thing.
> >
> >
> https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2020/12/the-last-children-of-down-syndrome/616928/
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: Friam <friam-bounces at redfish.com<mailto:friam-bounces at redfish.com>>
> On Behalf Of David Eric Smith
> >Sent: Thursday, September 9, 2021 2:12 PM
> >To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <friam at redfish.com
> <mailto:friam at redfish.com>>
> >Subject: Re: [FRIAM] gen'fur
> >
> >Aha!  This is why Iceland has the highest per-capita fraction of
> published authors in the world.  I had assumed it was the weather….
> >
> >> On Sep 10, 2021, at 2:17 AM, Marcus Daniels <marcus at snoutfarm.com
> <mailto:marcus at snoutfarm.com>> wrote:
> >>
> >> That can be screened as well with a large population-wide survey such
> has been done in the UK or Iceland.
> >> Of course, it is unlikely that complex behaviors will be governed by
> isolated mutations, so the task is to look for highly predictive motifs
> (e.g. regular expressions).
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Friam <friam-bounces at redfish.com<mailto:friam-bounces at redfish.com>>
> On Behalf Of u?l? ?>$
> >> Sent: Thursday, September 9, 2021 10:12 AM
> >> To: friam at redfish.com<mailto:friam at redfish.com>
> >> Subject: Re: [FRIAM] gen'fur
> >>
> >> Ha! Now you're trolling. The answer is: "because the sites that
> generate reading ability (or whatever) *also* generate other 'abilities'",
> with "abilities" in scare quotes because many abilities are considered bad
> ... like the ability of a pimply faced white dude to shoot up a church or
> blow up a federal building.
> >>
> >> In addition to polyphenism, there's robustness. If more than 1 site
> generates the same functional ability (reading), then do we write them all?
> ... just one of them? ... a probabilistically predictive handful of them?
> >>
> >> On 9/9/21 10:00 AM, Marcus Daniels wrote:
> >>> So find the sites that correspond to reading ability, or whatever, and
> WRITE them.
> >>>
> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >>> From: Friam <friam-bounces at redfish.com<mailto:
> friam-bounces at redfish.com>> On Behalf Of u?l? ?>$
> >>> Sent: Thursday, September 9, 2021 9:51 AM
> >>> To: friam at redfish.com<mailto:friam at redfish.com>
> >>> Subject: Re: [FRIAM] gen'fur
> >>>
> >>> I was alerted to this article this morning:
> >>>
> >>> Can Progressives Be Convinced That Genetics Matters?
> >>> https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2021/09/13/can-progressives-be-con
> >>> v
> >>> inced-that-genetics-matters
> >>>
> >>> It should delight those amongst us who rant about the "woke". 8^D But
> it dovetails nicely with the fraught concept of equality in the other
> thread.
> >>>
> >>> Coincidentally, also on 9/6, the BIAPT announced their early career
> prize winner Emily McTernan:
> >>> https://linkprotect.cudasvc.com/url?a=https%3a%2f%2fwww.associationfo
> >>> rpoliticalthought.ac.uk<http://rpoliticalthought.ac.uk
> >%2fbiapt-2021-early-care&c=E,1,Je9MVNdO8lpJQOd
> >>> 6fZwUNe-4z5yuFq0upxNIzMBFjmLFh_h5a63ueVVpd8lkEdWeUx5Xx1RaoPg3T5Ph8YlG
> >>> 0558qqHLZD8-DKeBPEC3YYM,&typo=1
> >>> er-prize-winner-dr-emily-mcternan/
> >>>
> >>> "In her forthcoming monograph, Dr McTernan develops her work on social
> equality further, to advance a pioneering conceptual account – and robust
> normative defence – of the phenomenon of ‘taking offence’. Therein,
> McTernan contends, we should understand taking offence, under appropriate
> conditions, as a civic virtue rather than a vice, as an emotion that
> embodies the resistance of social inequalities within a community."
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On 9/8/21 8:06 PM, Marcus Daniels wrote:
> >>>> From about a cancer rate of 10% (without mutation) to 50% (with) but
> it depends on the BRCA variant.
> >>>>
> >>>> https://www.cdc.gov/genomics/disease/breast_ovarian_cancer/breast_ca
> >>>> n
> >>>> c
> >>>> er.htm
> >>>> <https://www.cdc.gov/genomics/disease/breast_ovarian_cancer/breast_c
> >>>> a
> >>>> n
> >>>> cer.htm>
> >>>>
> >>>>> On Sep 8, 2021, at 4:07 PM, Frank Wimberly <wimberly3 at gmail.com
> <mailto:wimberly3 at gmail.com>> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> Is the Braca gene that little correlated with breast cancer?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> ---
> >>>>> Frank C. Wimberly
> >>>>> 140 Calle Ojo Feliz,
> >>>>> Santa Fe, NM 87505
> >>>>>
> >>>>> 505 670-9918
> >>>>> Santa Fe, NM
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Wed, Sep 8, 2021, 4:57 PM Marcus Daniels <marcus at snoutfarm.com
> <mailto:marcus at snoutfarm.com> <mailto:marcus at snoutfarm.com<mailto:
> marcus at snoutfarm.com>>> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>    Yeah, it is hard to get excited about “unusual” variance. Modern
> >>>>> classification algorithms like gradient boosting make it possible
> >>>>> to predict phenotypes, and to me that is a lot more interesting
> >>>>> (and still possible to deconstruct).____
> >>>>>
> >>>>>    __ __
> >>>>>
> >>>>>    *From:* Friam <friam-bounces at redfish.com<mailto:
> friam-bounces at redfish.com> <mailto:friam-bounces at redfish.com<mailto:
> friam-bounces at redfish.com>>> *On Behalf Of *Eric Charles
> >>>>>    *Sent:* Wednesday, September 8, 2021 3:53 PM
> >>>>>    *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <
> friam at redfish.com<mailto:friam at redfish.com> <mailto:friam at redfish.com
> <mailto:friam at redfish.com>>>
> >>>>>    *Subject:* [FRIAM] gen'fur____
> >>>>>
> >>>>>    __ __
> >>>>>
> >>>>>    Gen'fur this, gen'fur that... and also the realities of
> biological complexity....
> >>>>>    ____
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> ☤>$
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> glen ⛧
>
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