[FRIAM] gen'fur

[⛧ glen]

Heh, yes. I'm also reading about "Hume's Law". Maybe that's what confused me?

On September 9, 2021 5:03:16 PM PDT, Frank Wimberly <wimberly3 at gmail.com> wrote:
>Did you read the article about aborting babies with Down Syndrome?
>
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>Frank C. Wimberly
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>On Thu, Sep 9, 2021, 6:00 PM ⛧ glen <gepropella at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Apples can be red. ... Wait what? What were we talking about? "I have no
>> idea what's goin' on."
>>
>> On September 9, 2021 4:54:42 PM PDT, Marcus Daniels <marcus at snoutfarm.com>
>> wrote:
>> >Puppies are adorable.
>> >
>> >From: Friam <friam-bounces at redfish.com> On Behalf Of Frank Wimberly
>> >Sent: Thursday, September 9, 2021 4:33 PM
>> >To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <friam at redfish.com
>> >
>> >Subject: Re: [FRIAM] gen'fur
>> >
>> >Down's babies are adorable.
>> >---
>> >Frank C. Wimberly
>> >140 Calle Ojo Feliz,
>> >Santa Fe, NM 87505
>> >
>> >505 670-9918
>> >Santa Fe, NM
>> >
>> >On Thu, Sep 9, 2021, 3:32 PM Marcus Daniels <marcus at snoutfarm.com<mailto:
>> marcus at snoutfarm.com>> wrote:
>> >Or they are reprogramming their people to be smarter!
>> >(Actually, deCODE is owned by Amgen now.)
>> >
>> >Selection is already occurring, so it isn't as if this is some sci-fi
>> thing.
>> >
>> >
>> https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2020/12/the-last-children-of-down-syndrome/616928/
>> >-----Original Message-----
>> >From: Friam <friam-bounces at redfish.com<mailto:friam-bounces at redfish.com>>
>> On Behalf Of David Eric Smith
>> >Sent: Thursday, September 9, 2021 2:12 PM
>> >To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <friam at redfish.com
>> <mailto:friam at redfish.com>>
>> >Subject: Re: [FRIAM] gen'fur
>> >
>> >Aha!  This is why Iceland has the highest per-capita fraction of
>> published authors in the world.  I had assumed it was the weather….
>> >
>> >> On Sep 10, 2021, at 2:17 AM, Marcus Daniels <marcus at snoutfarm.com
>> <mailto:marcus at snoutfarm.com>> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> That can be screened as well with a large population-wide survey such
>> has been done in the UK or Iceland.
>> >> Of course, it is unlikely that complex behaviors will be governed by
>> isolated mutations, so the task is to look for highly predictive motifs
>> (e.g. regular expressions).
>> >>
>> >> -----Original Message-----
>> >> From: Friam <friam-bounces at redfish.com<mailto:friam-bounces at redfish.com>>
>> On Behalf Of u?l? ?>$
>> >> Sent: Thursday, September 9, 2021 10:12 AM
>> >> To: friam at redfish.com<mailto:friam at redfish.com>
>> >> Subject: Re: [FRIAM] gen'fur
>> >>
>> >> Ha! Now you're trolling. The answer is: "because the sites that
>> generate reading ability (or whatever) *also* generate other 'abilities'",
>> with "abilities" in scare quotes because many abilities are considered bad
>> ... like the ability of a pimply faced white dude to shoot up a church or
>> blow up a federal building.
>> >>
>> >> In addition to polyphenism, there's robustness. If more than 1 site
>> generates the same functional ability (reading), then do we write them all?
>> ... just one of them? ... a probabilistically predictive handful of them?
>> >>
>> >> On 9/9/21 10:00 AM, Marcus Daniels wrote:
>> >>> So find the sites that correspond to reading ability, or whatever, and
>> WRITE them.
>> >>>
>> >>> -----Original Message-----
>> >>> From: Friam <friam-bounces at redfish.com<mailto:
>> friam-bounces at redfish.com>> On Behalf Of u?l? ?>$
>> >>> Sent: Thursday, September 9, 2021 9:51 AM
>> >>> To: friam at redfish.com<mailto:friam at redfish.com>
>> >>> Subject: Re: [FRIAM] gen'fur
>> >>>
>> >>> I was alerted to this article this morning:
>> >>>
>> >>> Can Progressives Be Convinced That Genetics Matters?
>> >>> https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2021/09/13/can-progressives-be-con
>> >>> v
>> >>> inced-that-genetics-matters
>> >>>
>> >>> It should delight those amongst us who rant about the "woke". 8^D But
>> it dovetails nicely with the fraught concept of equality in the other
>> thread.
>> >>>
>> >>> Coincidentally, also on 9/6, the BIAPT announced their early career
>> prize winner Emily McTernan:
>> >>> https://linkprotect.cudasvc.com/url?a=https%3a%2f%2fwww.associationfo
>> >>> rpoliticalthought.ac.uk<http://rpoliticalthought.ac.uk
>> >%2fbiapt-2021-early-care&c=E,1,Je9MVNdO8lpJQOd
>> >>> 6fZwUNe-4z5yuFq0upxNIzMBFjmLFh_h5a63ueVVpd8lkEdWeUx5Xx1RaoPg3T5Ph8YlG
>> >>> 0558qqHLZD8-DKeBPEC3YYM,&typo=1
>> >>> er-prize-winner-dr-emily-mcternan/
>> >>>
>> >>> "In her forthcoming monograph, Dr McTernan develops her work on social
>> equality further, to advance a pioneering conceptual account – and robust
>> normative defence – of the phenomenon of ‘taking offence’. Therein,
>> McTernan contends, we should understand taking offence, under appropriate
>> conditions, as a civic virtue rather than a vice, as an emotion that
>> embodies the resistance of social inequalities within a community."
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> On 9/8/21 8:06 PM, Marcus Daniels wrote:
>> >>>> From about a cancer rate of 10% (without mutation) to 50% (with) but
>> it depends on the BRCA variant.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> https://www.cdc.gov/genomics/disease/breast_ovarian_cancer/breast_ca
>> >>>> n
>> >>>> c
>> >>>> er.htm
>> >>>> <https://www.cdc.gov/genomics/disease/breast_ovarian_cancer/breast_c
>> >>>> a
>> >>>> n
>> >>>> cer.htm>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>> On Sep 8, 2021, at 4:07 PM, Frank Wimberly <wimberly3 at gmail.com
>> <mailto:wimberly3 at gmail.com>> wrote:
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> 
>> >>>>> Is the Braca gene that little correlated with breast cancer?
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> ---
>> >>>>> Frank C. Wimberly
>> >>>>> 140 Calle Ojo Feliz,
>> >>>>> Santa Fe, NM 87505
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> 505 670-9918
>> >>>>> Santa Fe, NM
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> On Wed, Sep 8, 2021, 4:57 PM Marcus Daniels <marcus at snoutfarm.com
>> <mailto:marcus at snoutfarm.com> <mailto:marcus at snoutfarm.com<mailto:
>> marcus at snoutfarm.com>>> wrote:
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>    Yeah, it is hard to get excited about “unusual” variance. Modern
>> >>>>> classification algorithms like gradient boosting make it possible
>> >>>>> to predict phenotypes, and to me that is a lot more interesting
>> >>>>> (and still possible to deconstruct).____
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>    __ __
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>    *From:* Friam <friam-bounces at redfish.com<mailto:
>> friam-bounces at redfish.com> <mailto:friam-bounces at redfish.com<mailto:
>> friam-bounces at redfish.com>>> *On Behalf Of *Eric Charles
>> >>>>>    *Sent:* Wednesday, September 8, 2021 3:53 PM
>> >>>>>    *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <
>> friam at redfish.com<mailto:friam at redfish.com> <mailto:friam at redfish.com
>> <mailto:friam at redfish.com>>>
>> >>>>>    *Subject:* [FRIAM] gen'fur____
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>    __ __
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>    Gen'fur this, gen'fur that... and also the realities of
>> biological complexity....
>> >>>>>    ____
>> >>
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glen ⛧