[FRIAM] gen'fur

Thu Sep 9 21:42:59 EDT 2021

Nobody ever aborted a baby with down’s syndrome.  What they aborted, if they aborted anything, is a baby which, if carried to term would be highly likely to display downs syndrome.  I know I am being pedantic, but ’t's just the sort of confusion that the “genfur” idea leads one into.  

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From: Friam <friam-bounces at redfish.com> On Behalf Of Frank Wimberly
Sent: Thursday, September 9, 2021 8:03 PM
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <friam at redfish.com>
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] gen'fur

Did you read the article about aborting babies with Down Syndrome?

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Frank C. Wimberly
140 Calle Ojo Feliz, 
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On Thu, Sep 9, 2021, 6:00 PM ⛧ glen <gepropella at gmail.com <mailto:gepropella at gmail.com> > wrote:

Apples can be red. ... Wait what? What were we talking about? "I have no idea what's goin' on."

On September 9, 2021 4:54:42 PM PDT, Marcus Daniels <marcus at snoutfarm.com <mailto:marcus at snoutfarm.com> > wrote:
>Puppies are adorable.
>
>From: Friam <friam-bounces at redfish.com <mailto:friam-bounces at redfish.com> > On Behalf Of Frank Wimberly
>Sent: Thursday, September 9, 2021 4:33 PM
>To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <friam at redfish.com <mailto:friam at redfish.com> >
>Subject: Re: [FRIAM] gen'fur
>
>Down's babies are adorable.
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>Frank C. Wimberly
>140 Calle Ojo Feliz,
>Santa Fe, NM 87505
>
>505 670-9918
>Santa Fe, NM
>
>On Thu, Sep 9, 2021, 3:32 PM Marcus Daniels <marcus at snoutfarm.com <mailto:marcus at snoutfarm.com> <mailto:marcus at snoutfarm.com <mailto:marcus at snoutfarm.com> >> wrote:
>Or they are reprogramming their people to be smarter!
>(Actually, deCODE is owned by Amgen now.)
>
>Selection is already occurring, so it isn't as if this is some sci-fi thing.
>
>https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2020/12/the-last-children-of-down-syndrome/616928/
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Friam <friam-bounces at redfish.com <mailto:friam-bounces at redfish.com> <mailto:friam-bounces at redfish.com <mailto:friam-bounces at redfish.com> >> On Behalf Of David Eric Smith
>Sent: Thursday, September 9, 2021 2:12 PM
>To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <friam at redfish.com <mailto:friam at redfish.com> <mailto:friam at redfish.com <mailto:friam at redfish.com> >>
>Subject: Re: [FRIAM] gen'fur
>
>Aha!  This is why Iceland has the highest per-capita fraction of published authors in the world.  I had assumed it was the weather….
>
>> On Sep 10, 2021, at 2:17 AM, Marcus Daniels <marcus at snoutfarm.com <mailto:marcus at snoutfarm.com> <mailto:marcus at snoutfarm.com <mailto:marcus at snoutfarm.com> >> wrote:
>>
>> That can be screened as well with a large population-wide survey such has been done in the UK or Iceland.
>> Of course, it is unlikely that complex behaviors will be governed by isolated mutations, so the task is to look for highly predictive motifs (e.g. regular expressions).
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Friam <friam-bounces at redfish.com <mailto:friam-bounces at redfish.com> <mailto:friam-bounces at redfish.com <mailto:friam-bounces at redfish.com> >> On Behalf Of u?l? ?>$
>> Sent: Thursday, September 9, 2021 10:12 AM
>> To: friam at redfish.com <mailto:friam at redfish.com> <mailto:friam at redfish.com <mailto:friam at redfish.com> >
>> Subject: Re: [FRIAM] gen'fur
>>
>> Ha! Now you're trolling. The answer is: "because the sites that generate reading ability (or whatever) *also* generate other 'abilities'", with "abilities" in scare quotes because many abilities are considered bad ... like the ability of a pimply faced white dude to shoot up a church or blow up a federal building.
>>
>> In addition to polyphenism, there's robustness. If more than 1 site generates the same functional ability (reading), then do we write them all? ... just one of them? ... a probabilistically predictive handful of them?
>>
>> On 9/9/21 10:00 AM, Marcus Daniels wrote:
>>> So find the sites that correspond to reading ability, or whatever, and WRITE them.
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Friam <friam-bounces at redfish.com <mailto:friam-bounces at redfish.com> <mailto:friam-bounces at redfish.com <mailto:friam-bounces at redfish.com> >> On Behalf Of u?l? ?>$
>>> Sent: Thursday, September 9, 2021 9:51 AM
>>> To: friam at redfish.com <mailto:friam at redfish.com> <mailto:friam at redfish.com <mailto:friam at redfish.com> >
>>> Subject: Re: [FRIAM] gen'fur
>>>
>>> I was alerted to this article this morning:
>>>
>>> Can Progressives Be Convinced That Genetics Matters?
>>> https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2021/09/13/can-progressives-be-con
>>> v
>>> inced-that-genetics-matters
>>>
>>> It should delight those amongst us who rant about the "woke". 8^D But it dovetails nicely with the fraught concept of equality in the other thread.
>>>
>>> Coincidentally, also on 9/6, the BIAPT announced their early career prize winner Emily McTernan:
>>> https://linkprotect.cudasvc.com/url?a=https%3a%2f%2fwww.associationfo
>>> rpoliticalthought.ac.uk <http://rpoliticalthought.ac.uk> <http://rpoliticalthought.ac.uk>%2fbiapt-2021-early-care&c=E,1,Je9MVNdO8lpJQOd
>>> 6fZwUNe-4z5yuFq0upxNIzMBFjmLFh_h5a63ueVVpd8lkEdWeUx5Xx1RaoPg3T5Ph8YlG
>>> 0558qqHLZD8-DKeBPEC3YYM,&typo=1
>>> er-prize-winner-dr-emily-mcternan/
>>>
>>> "In her forthcoming monograph, Dr McTernan develops her work on social equality further, to advance a pioneering conceptual account – and robust normative defence – of the phenomenon of ‘taking offence’. Therein, McTernan contends, we should understand taking offence, under appropriate conditions, as a civic virtue rather than a vice, as an emotion that embodies the resistance of social inequalities within a community."
>>>
>>>
>>> On 9/8/21 8:06 PM, Marcus Daniels wrote:
>>>> From about a cancer rate of 10% (without mutation) to 50% (with) but it depends on the BRCA variant.
>>>>
>>>> https://www.cdc.gov/genomics/disease/breast_ovarian_cancer/breast_ca
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>>>> c
>>>> er.htm
>>>> <https://www.cdc.gov/genomics/disease/breast_ovarian_cancer/breast_c
>>>> a
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>>>> cer.htm>
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>>>>> On Sep 8, 2021, at 4:07 PM, Frank Wimberly <wimberly3 at gmail.com <mailto:wimberly3 at gmail.com> <mailto:wimberly3 at gmail.com <mailto:wimberly3 at gmail.com> >> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> 
>>>>> Is the Braca gene that little correlated with breast cancer?
>>>>>
>>>>> ---
>>>>> Frank C. Wimberly
>>>>> 140 Calle Ojo Feliz,
>>>>> Santa Fe, NM 87505
>>>>>
>>>>> 505 670-9918
>>>>> Santa Fe, NM
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Sep 8, 2021, 4:57 PM Marcus Daniels <marcus at snoutfarm.com <mailto:marcus at snoutfarm.com> <mailto:marcus at snoutfarm.com <mailto:marcus at snoutfarm.com> > <mailto:marcus at snoutfarm.com <mailto:marcus at snoutfarm.com> <mailto:marcus at snoutfarm.com <mailto:marcus at snoutfarm.com> >>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>    Yeah, it is hard to get excited about “unusual” variance. Modern
>>>>> classification algorithms like gradient boosting make it possible
>>>>> to predict phenotypes, and to me that is a lot more interesting
>>>>> (and still possible to deconstruct).____
>>>>>
>>>>>    __ __
>>>>>
>>>>>    *From:* Friam <friam-bounces at redfish.com <mailto:friam-bounces at redfish.com> <mailto:friam-bounces at redfish.com <mailto:friam-bounces at redfish.com> > <mailto:friam-bounces at redfish.com <mailto:friam-bounces at redfish.com> <mailto:friam-bounces at redfish.com <mailto:friam-bounces at redfish.com> >>> *On Behalf Of *Eric Charles
>>>>>    *Sent:* Wednesday, September 8, 2021 3:53 PM
>>>>>    *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <friam at redfish.com <mailto:friam at redfish.com> <mailto:friam at redfish.com <mailto:friam at redfish.com> > <mailto:friam at redfish.com <mailto:friam at redfish.com> <mailto:friam at redfish.com <mailto:friam at redfish.com> >>>
>>>>>    *Subject:* [FRIAM] gen'fur____
>>>>>
>>>>>    __ __
>>>>>
>>>>>    Gen'fur this, gen'fur that... and also the realities of biological complexity....
>>>>>    ____
>>
>>
>> --
>> ☤>$ 
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glen ⛧

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