[FRIAM] dystopian vision(s)

[Marcus Daniels]

Dave writes:

< If you assume, or believe, that the mind (body-brain-embodied mind-Atman) naturally processes 100% of the inputs and assume/believe that a survival enhancing mechanism filters that stream to create the illusionary subset that we call Reality, then entheogens work to dismantle the filtering mechanism and expose the Real Reality. >

The mind may be configured to be a 5G transceiver or CAT scan?

Marcus
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If you assume, or believe, that the mind (body-brain-embodied mind-Atman) naturally processes 100% of the inputs and assume/believe that a survival enhancing mechanism filters that stream to create the illusionary subset that we call Reality, then entheogens work to dismantle the filtering mechanism and expose the Real Reality.

Missing in my first post was a hidden premise, that any augmentations (Neuralink, et. al.) are almost certainly based on whatever we think we understand of the filtering mechanism, not the Mind, and therefore would augment/enhance that mechanism and therefore lead to results opposite of what is desired.

The missing premise is pretty much conjecture on my part but is grounded in an advanced, but not expert, understanding of AI and neural network technologies; so it should be taken with a tablespoon (thousands of grains) of salt.

davew


On Tue, Aug 16, 2022, at 11:22 AM, glen wrote:
> Opposite of what? I don't understand how augmentation is the opposite
> of the entheogens (drugs or meditation). Are you saying that, e.g. the
> Mojo Lens or Neuralink further restrict, whereas the entheogens lessen
> the restriction?
>
> If so, then my guess is you could do the same sort of restriction
> modulation with any augmentation device. E.g. if there are 1 billion
> possible data feeds you could receive, decreasing them is like an
> undrugged person self-censoring and such, then increasing them is like
> taking a entheogen ... that is, assuming Church-Turing.
>
> If we reject C-T, then it seems reasonable to argue that the body
> "computes" something that any computer-based augmentation would
> restrict, by definition, making it impossible to expand beyond what the
> augment provides. Computer-based augmentaiton would provide a hard
> limit ... an unavoidable abstraction/subset of reality.
>
> On 8/15/22 19:04, Prof David West wrote:
>> The hallucino-philia (and Buddhist epistemologists) would argue that our brains (minds) already fully grasp / cognize / perceive our physical reality. But, for survival purposes, it self-censors and presents our consciousness/awareness/attention with a small abstract subset of that reality—an illusion.
>>
>> Drugs and meditation are 'subtractive' in that they dismantle the abstraction/reduction apparatus that generates the illusion hiding our 'full-grasping'.
>>
>> If such a belief were "true" then "augmenting our brains" would be the exact opposite, and exceedingly harmful, approach ...
>>
>>     ...   unless, the augmentation was a permanent [lsd | psylocibin | mescaline] drip.
>>
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