[FRIAM] dystopian vision(s)

[Prof David West]

closest technological metaphor I have encountered is holographic universe and mind as holographic 'interpreter/reader', which could be computationally simulated, I suppose.

davew

On Tue, Aug 16, 2022, at 5:28 PM, Marcus Daniels wrote:
> Dave writes:
> 
> < If you assume, or believe, that the mind (body-brain-embodied mind-Atman) naturally processes 100% of the inputs and assume/believe that a survival enhancing mechanism filters that stream to create the illusionary subset that we call Reality, then entheogens work to dismantle the filtering mechanism and expose the Real Reality. >
> 
> The mind may be configured to be a 5G transceiver or CAT scan?
> 
> Marcus
> 
> 
> *From:* Friam <friam-bounces at redfish.com> on behalf of Prof David West <profwest at fastmail.fm>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 16, 2022 6:16 PM
> *To:* friam at redfish.com <friam at redfish.com>
> *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] dystopian vision(s) 
>  
> If you assume, or believe, that the mind (body-brain-embodied mind-Atman) naturally processes 100% of the inputs and assume/believe that a survival enhancing mechanism filters that stream to create the illusionary subset that we call Reality, then entheogens work to dismantle the filtering mechanism and expose the Real Reality.
> 
> Missing in my first post was a hidden premise, that any augmentations (Neuralink, et. al.) are almost certainly based on whatever we think we understand of the filtering mechanism, not the Mind, and therefore would augment/enhance that mechanism and therefore lead to results opposite of what is desired.
> 
> The missing premise is pretty much conjecture on my part but is grounded in an advanced, but not expert, understanding of AI and neural network technologies; so it should be taken with a tablespoon (thousands of grains) of salt.
> 
> davew
> 
> 
> On Tue, Aug 16, 2022, at 11:22 AM, glen wrote:
> > Opposite of what? I don't understand how augmentation is the opposite 
> > of the entheogens (drugs or meditation). Are you saying that, e.g. the 
> > Mojo Lens or Neuralink further restrict, whereas the entheogens lessen 
> > the restriction?
> >
> > If so, then my guess is you could do the same sort of restriction 
> > modulation with any augmentation device. E.g. if there are 1 billion 
> > possible data feeds you could receive, decreasing them is like an 
> > undrugged person self-censoring and such, then increasing them is like 
> > taking a entheogen ... that is, assuming Church-Turing.
> >
> > If we reject C-T, then it seems reasonable to argue that the body 
> > "computes" something that any computer-based augmentation would 
> > restrict, by definition, making it impossible to expand beyond what the 
> > augment provides. Computer-based augmentaiton would provide a hard 
> > limit ... an unavoidable abstraction/subset of reality.
> >
> > On 8/15/22 19:04, Prof David West wrote:
> >> The hallucino-philia (and Buddhist epistemologists) would argue that our brains (minds) already fully grasp / cognize / perceive our physical reality. But, for survival purposes, it self-censors and presents our consciousness/awareness/attention with a small abstract subset of that reality—an illusion.
> >> 
> >> Drugs and meditation are 'subtractive' in that they dismantle the abstraction/reduction apparatus that generates the illusion hiding our 'full-grasping'.
> >> 
> >> If such a belief were "true" then "augmenting our brains" would be the exact opposite, and exceedingly harmful, approach ...
> >> 
> >>     ...   unless, the augmentation was a permanent [lsd | psylocibin | mescaline] drip.
> >> 
> >>   * * * * * * * * * * * *
> >
> >
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