[FRIAM] The root of personality disorders

[Roger Critchlow]

Someone pointed out that Trump never laughs.  Not at himself, not at
others, not at his own jokes, not at anything.

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On Tue, Jan 17, 2017 at 5:32 PM, Frank Wimberly <wimberly3 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Nick,
>
> No.  "Self" has a technical meaning in psychoanalysis.  The tiny baby
> experiences the world as self-(m)other after a certain amount of separation
> and individuation.  I've got to stop giving lectures on this subject.  I'm
> already in over my head.
>
> Framk
>
> Frank Wimberly
> Phone (505) 670-9918
>
> On Jan 17, 2017 3:28 PM, "Nick Thompson" <nickthompson at earthlink.net>
> wrote:
>
>> Hi, Frank,
>>
>>
>>
>> Isn’t that an example of itself?
>>
>>
>>
>> “This book was written about me”.
>>
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>>
>> Nick
>>
>>
>>
>> Nicholas S. Thompson
>>
>> Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology
>>
>> Clark University
>>
>> http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/
>>
>>
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>> *From:* Friam [mailto:friam-bounces at redfish.com] *On Behalf Of *Frank
>> Wimberly
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 17, 2017 3:00 PM
>> *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <
>> friam at redfish.com>
>> *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] The root of personality disorders
>>
>>
>>
>> Yes, pathological narcissism starts during the first two years of life.
>> Hence the infantile symptomatology.  But it can be aggravated during
>> adolescence, say, by the kinds of things
>>
>> Jochen mentions.  Heinz Kohut wrote a book on the etiology of the
>> pathology in a book called "Analysis of the Self".  It is not about self
>> analysis.
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>>
>>
>> It is almost impossible to read by lay persons, including yours truly.
>> It is full of language like "the hypercathexis of the narcissistic libido".
>> Also, people who read it often (mistakenly) start feeling that they have
>> the disorder.
>>
>>
>>
>> Frank
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>>
>>
>> Frank Wimberly
>> Phone (505) 670-9918
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>> On Jan 17, 2017 2:49 PM, "Joe Spinden" <js at qri.us> wrote:
>>
>> If you want to psychoanalyze Trump, you might start before he was sent to
>> the NYMA.  I.e., WHY did his father send him there ?
>>
>> -J
>>
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>> On 1/17/17 2:43 PM, Jochen Fromm wrote:
>>
>> In 2011 there was a press conference where president Obama roasted Trump
>> and mocked about his competence. Trump was sitting in the audience and
>> didn't laugh. For a person with a narcissistic personality disorder this
>> must have been a traumatic experience. Maybe this was the moment where he
>> decided to take revenge no matter at what cost? It starts at 2:40
>>
>> https://www.youtube.com/shared?ci=ohfN1_cjm5I
>>
>>
>>
>> I think if we really want to understand him we have to go back a little
>> bit more. When Trump was 13, his father sent him to the NYMA (New York
>> Military Academy). It is a rigid school which values discipline. He must
>> have been very unhappy to be the only of 5 siblings to be there, to move
>> from a rich house in Queens, NY, to this impersonal and strict institution.
>>
>> http://www.businessinsider.de/donald-trump-attended-new-york
>> -military-academy-2016-12?op=1
>>
>> I guess his personality must have been deformed by this humiliating
>> experience. Was this the moment when he decided to be selfish and egoistic
>> because his parents didn't care about him? At the core of his personality
>> you can probably still meet the lonely and insecure 13 year old that wants
>> to be loved.
>> https://www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/politics/decades-late
>> r-disagreement-over-young-trumps-military-academy-post/2016/
>> 01/09/907a67b2-b3e0-11e5-a842-0feb51d1d124_story.html
>>
>>
>>
>> They say narcissism can develop if a child gets too much or too little
>> attention. The young Donald apparently got too little love from his
>> parents, and he learned that he can be loved if he wins, pretends, or
>> pretends to win. Lies obviously have been helpful to get what he wants, and
>> from 13 to 18 no parents were there for him to guide him. Is this how a
>> personality order can develop, too little love in childhood?
>>
>>
>>
>> -J.
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