[FRIAM] The root of personality disorders

Tue Jan 17 17:56:17 EST 2017

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Frank Wimberly
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On Jan 17, 2017 3:37 PM, "Roger Critchlow" <rec at elf.org> wrote:

> Someone pointed out that Trump never laughs.  Not at himself, not at
> others, not at his own jokes, not at anything.
>
> -- rec --
>
> On Tue, Jan 17, 2017 at 5:32 PM, Frank Wimberly <wimberly3 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Nick,
>>
>> No.  "Self" has a technical meaning in psychoanalysis.  The tiny baby
>> experiences the world as self-(m)other after a certain amount of separation
>> and individuation.  I've got to stop giving lectures on this subject.  I'm
>> already in over my head.
>>
>> Framk
>>
>> Frank Wimberly
>> Phone (505) 670-9918
>>
>> On Jan 17, 2017 3:28 PM, "Nick Thompson" <nickthompson at earthlink.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi, Frank,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Isn’t that an example of itself?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> “This book was written about me”.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Nick
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Nicholas S. Thompson
>>>
>>> Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology
>>>
>>> Clark University
>>>
>>> http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Friam [mailto:friam-bounces at redfish.com] *On Behalf Of *Frank
>>> Wimberly
>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 17, 2017 3:00 PM
>>> *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <
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>>> *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] The root of personality disorders
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Yes, pathological narcissism starts during the first two years of life.
>>> Hence the infantile symptomatology.  But it can be aggravated during
>>> adolescence, say, by the kinds of things
>>>
>>> Jochen mentions.  Heinz Kohut wrote a book on the etiology of the
>>> pathology in a book called "Analysis of the Self".  It is not about self
>>> analysis.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> It is almost impossible to read by lay persons, including yours truly.
>>> It is full of language like "the hypercathexis of the narcissistic libido".
>>> Also, people who read it often (mistakenly) start feeling that they have
>>> the disorder.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Frank
>>>
>>>
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>>>
>>> Frank Wimberly
>>> Phone (505) 670-9918
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>>>
>>> On Jan 17, 2017 2:49 PM, "Joe Spinden" <js at qri.us> wrote:
>>>
>>> If you want to psychoanalyze Trump, you might start before he was sent
>>> to the NYMA.  I.e., WHY did his father send him there ?
>>>
>>> -J
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 1/17/17 2:43 PM, Jochen Fromm wrote:
>>>
>>> In 2011 there was a press conference where president Obama roasted Trump
>>> and mocked about his competence. Trump was sitting in the audience and
>>> didn't laugh. For a person with a narcissistic personality disorder this
>>> must have been a traumatic experience. Maybe this was the moment where he
>>> decided to take revenge no matter at what cost? It starts at 2:40
>>>
>>> https://www.youtube.com/shared?ci=ohfN1_cjm5I
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I think if we really want to understand him we have to go back a little
>>> bit more. When Trump was 13, his father sent him to the NYMA (New York
>>> Military Academy). It is a rigid school which values discipline. He must
>>> have been very unhappy to be the only of 5 siblings to be there, to move
>>> from a rich house in Queens, NY, to this impersonal and strict institution.
>>>
>>> http://www.businessinsider.de/donald-trump-attended-new-york
>>> -military-academy-2016-12?op=1
>>>
>>> I guess his personality must have been deformed by this humiliating
>>> experience. Was this the moment when he decided to be selfish and egoistic
>>> because his parents didn't care about him? At the core of his personality
>>> you can probably still meet the lonely and insecure 13 year old that wants
>>> to be loved.
>>> https://www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/politics/decades-late
>>> r-disagreement-over-young-trumps-military-academy-post/2016/
>>> 01/09/907a67b2-b3e0-11e5-a842-0feb51d1d124_story.html
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> They say narcissism can develop if a child gets too much or too little
>>> attention. The young Donald apparently got too little love from his
>>> parents, and he learned that he can be loved if he wins, pretends, or
>>> pretends to win. Lies obviously have been helpful to get what he wants, and
>>> from 13 to 18 no parents were there for him to guide him. Is this how a
>>> personality order can develop, too little love in childhood?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -J.
>>>
>>>
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