[FRIAM] death

Frank Wimberly wimberly3 at gmail.com
Thu Nov 2 14:16:33 EDT 2017

Hmm.  In my own words: perhaps you've known people who "fall to pieces"
when the object of their attachment isn't present.  This often causes that
"object" to flee.  Think of boy-girl relationships in adolescence which
sometimes are messed up because of the imprint of the past.


Frank Wimberly
Phone (505) 670-9918

On Nov 2, 2017 12:09 PM, "Frank Wimberly" <wimberly3 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Lack of object constancy after childhood is definitely considered to be
> symptomatic.  If you don't believe something exists unless you are
> experiencing it, including yourself, you will have a difficult time.
> Here is a link:
> http://borderlinepersonality.typepad.com/my_weblog/2008/06/
> lack-of-object.html
> I believe this is psychoanalytic orthodoxy.
> Frank
> Frank Wimberly
> Phone (505) 670-9918
> On Nov 2, 2017 12:01 PM, "gⅼеɳ ☣" <gepropella at gmail.com> wrote:
>> I am (or thought I was) familiar with the idea.  But it should be clear
>> that the wikipedia entry is GUILTY of the exact problem I'm trying to point
>> out.  So, it's not only not helpful, but perpetuates the problem.  Witness:
>> "Object constancy, similar to Jean Piaget's object permanence, describes
>> the phase when the child understands that the mother has a separate
>> identity and is truly a separate individual."
>> In other words, object constancy is precisely the false conclusion.
>> Perhaps there's other literature that talks specifically about how the
>> *fiction* of object constancy affects/retards future development?  If you
>> know of that literature, perhaps you could point to it?  Or, better yet,
>> explain it in your own words ... which I enjoy more and find much more
>> useful. 8^)
>> On 11/02/2017 10:32 AM, Frank Wimberly wrote:
>> > You guys might be interested in the Psychoanalytic concept of object
>> constancy.
>> >
>> > See
>> > https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Margaret_Mahler
>> >
>> > Many philosophical discussions are explained by psychoanalysts in terms
>> of object constancy.  And the self is also an object Psychoanalytic
>> speaking.  The old Chestnut about whether a tree falling in a forest makes
>> a sound is an example.
>> --
>> ☣ gⅼеɳ
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