[FRIAM] Abducktion
Steve Smith
sasmyth at swcp.com
Sun Aug 9 16:25:49 EDT 2020
> Every time I write "passive", Android mail client auto-completes it as
> "passive aggressive".
I also find auto-complete/correct to verge on passive aggressive itself
sometimes. I'm not sure where the UX for these began to change to
"remember" when you "uncorrect" and allows you your idiosyncratic
preferences/choices/specifics in the future. Context matters, of course...
>
> Frank
>
> ---
> Frank C. Wimberly
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>
> On Fri, Aug 7, 2020, 4:43 PM Edward Angel <angel at cs.unm.edu
> <mailto:angel at cs.unm.edu>> wrote:
>
> Literally it says “it pleases me” which is the passive voice
> leading to the question who is “it?"
> _______________________
>
> Ed Angel
>
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> Laboratory (ARTS Lab)
> Professor Emeritus of Computer Science, University of New Mexico
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>> On Aug 7, 2020, at 4:30 PM, Gary Schiltz
>> <gary at naturesvisualarts.com <mailto:gary at naturesvisualarts.com>>
>> wrote:
>>
>> I'm no grammar expert, even in my native English, but I don't
>> believe "me gusta el cafe" is using passive voice. It literally
>> says "coffee pleases me". Comments, Frank? But then, I may be
>> confused about what passive voice is.
>>
>> On Fri, Aug 7, 2020 at 5:23 PM Angel Edward
>> <edward.angel at gmail.com <mailto:edward.angel at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>> Isn’t it a consequence of the routine use of the passive
>> voice in Spanish as in “me gusta” instead of “yo gusto?”
>>
>> The passive voice is pretty much gone in textbooks but I
>> occasionally I get objections from Spanish speakers who claim
>> my textbook can’t be serious because I don’t use the passive
>> voice.
>>
>> Ed
>> __________
>>
>> Ed Angel
>>
>> Founding Director, Art, Research, Technology and Science
>> Laboratory (ARTS Lab)
>> Professor Emeritus of Computer Science, University of New Mexico
>>
>> 1017 Sierra Pinon
>> Santa Fe, NM 87501
>> 505-984-0136 (home) edward.angel at gmail.com
>> <mailto:edward.angel at gmail.com>
>> 505-453-4944 (cell) http://www.cs.unm.edu/~angel
>>
>>> On Aug 7, 2020, at 4:17 PM, Gary Schiltz
>>> <gary at NaturesVisualArts.com
>>> <mailto:gary at NaturesVisualArts.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Despite living in a Spanish speaking country for 12 years, I
>>> still struggle mightily with Spanish grammar. This is mainly
>>> due to laziness on my part, as well as lack of necessity to
>>> immerse myself in the language (there are a lot of English
>>> speakers here, not to mention expat groups on Facebook in
>>> English). Still, Spanish is *so* much more consistent in all
>>> respects than English - pronunciation especially. But the
>>> reflexive verbs are still somewhat of a mystery to me. I've
>>> wondered exactly the same thing that Frank mentioned: does
>>> "the cup fell itself on me" and "the pencil broke itself on
>>> mf" represent desire to avoid responsibility? Maybe even
>>> blame the victim? Ouch! Your nose nearly broke my fist!
>>>
>>> On Fri, Aug 7, 2020 at 2:06 PM Tom Johnson
>>> <tom at jtjohnson.com <mailto:tom at jtjohnson.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Or the equally famous Spanish phrase, "The pencil broke
>>> itself." A phrase which you think I would remember.
>>> TJ
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>>> On Fri, Aug 7, 2020 at 12:55 PM Frank Wimberly
>>> <wimberly3 at gmail.com <mailto:wimberly3 at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>> In Spanish if you drop your cup you say, "See me
>>> cayó la taza". A literal word--for-word
>>> translation is "The cup fell itself on me". Some
>>> people say this is an effort to avoid responsibility.
>>>
>>> Frank
>>>
>>> ---
>>> Frank C. Wimberly
>>> 140 Calle Ojo Feliz,
>>> Santa Fe, NM 87505
>>>
>>> 505 670-9918
>>> Santa Fe, NM
>>>
>>> On Fri, Aug 7, 2020, 9:01 AM Barry MacKichan
>>> <barry.mackichan at mackichan.com
>>> <mailto:barry.mackichan at mackichan.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Very much so. We hired a grad student a long
>>> time ago (he stayed with us until he retired).
>>> He wrote great Pascal programs. He wrote great
>>> Pascal programs in C++, and in JavaScript. The
>>> effect of your first programming language on
>>> style, idioms, and your feelings about recursion
>>> and encapsulation.
>>>
>>> —Barry
>>>
>>> On 6 Aug 2020, at 23:24, thompnickson2 at gmail.com
>>> <mailto:thompnickson2 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Nah. He means more than that. Even
>>> ordinary languages predispose users to one
>>> kind of discourse or another. I assume that
>>> programming languages do the same.
>>>
>>>
>>>
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