[FRIAM] millenarianism
Steve Smith
sasmyth at swcp.com
Sat Jun 6 23:41:20 EDT 2020
I'm guessing that some people would take "putting a price on it" as
removing guilt/shame and replacing it with a "transaction" which even if
calibrated to the offender's income is still a "rational transaction"
for many.
> I wonder what would happen if the penalty were based on the offender’s
> salary and paid directly to the provider. So, let’s say the provider
> is earning 25 dollars an hour and the offender is earning 100 dollars
> an hour. So, now the penalty for THAT offender is 100 dollars per
> hour, or fragment therof. Would the offender still accept this
> penalty as a price of doing business?
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> Nicholas Thompson
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> Emeritus Professor of Ethology and Psychology
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> Clark University
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> ThompNickSon2 at gmail.com <mailto:ThompNickSon2 at gmail.com>
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> https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/
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> *From:* Friam <friam-bounces at redfish.com> *On Behalf Of *David Eric Smith
> *Sent:* Saturday, June 6, 2020 7:01 PM
> *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group
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> *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] millenarianism
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> I don’t know if this embeds within Nick’s thread, but it is a lovely
> bookend to Marcus’s link:
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> https://econpapers.repec.org/article/ucpjlstud/v_3a29_3ay_3a2000_3ai_3a1_3ap_3a1-17.htm
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> Monetization of high-dimensional things, whether positive or negative,
> is a death knell.
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> Eric
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> On Jun 7, 2020, at 5:00 AM, Marcus Daniels <marcus at snoutfarm.com
> <mailto:marcus at snoutfarm.com>> wrote:
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> It’s because we were ruined.
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> https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/motivation.html
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> *From: *Friam <friam-bounces at redfish.com
> <mailto:friam-bounces at redfish.com>> on behalf of
> "thompnickson2 at gmail.com <mailto:thompnickson2 at gmail.com>"
> <thompnickson2 at gmail.com <mailto:thompnickson2 at gmail.com>>
> *Reply-To: *The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group
> <friam at redfish.com <mailto:friam at redfish.com>>
> *Date: *Saturday, June 6, 2020 at 12:44 PM
> *To: *'The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group'
> <friam at redfish.com <mailto:friam at redfish.com>>
> *Subject: *Re: [FRIAM] millenarianism
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> Well, as an ethologist, I should be the first at that barricade.
> So thanks for reminding me.
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> Examining my own experience, I can only say that you are correct
> that there is direct pleasure in developing an argument, as
> “tactile” as the pleasure of forming Silly Putty into smooth balls
> or blowing bubbles with bubblegum. But that pleasure is
> eliminated IMMEDIATELY and completely, if I imagine that nobody
> will ever read and understand what I wrote. That’s a paradox, and
> one I don’t entirely understand.
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> Nick
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> Nicholas Thompson
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> Emeritus Professor of Ethology and Psychology
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> Clark University
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> ThompNickSon2 at gmail.com <mailto:ThompNickSon2 at gmail.com>
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> https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/
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> *From:* Friam <friam-bounces at redfish.com
> <mailto:friam-bounces at redfish.com>> *On Behalf Of *Frank Wimberly
> *Sent:* Saturday, June 6, 2020 1:04 PM
> *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group
> <friam at redfish.com <mailto:friam at redfish.com>>
> *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] millenarianism
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> Nick,
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> I wonder if communicatory behavior is rewarding in its own right
> just as consummatory behavior is.
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> Meta:
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> I don't know if "communicatory" is a word. But I wanted parallel
> with "consummatory".
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> Frank C. Wimberly
> 140 Calle Ojo Feliz,
> Santa Fe, NM 87505
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> Santa Fe, NM
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> On Sat, Jun 6, 2020, 12:54 PM <thompnickson2 at gmail.com
> <mailto:thompnickson2 at gmail.com>> wrote:
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> We may disagree. I think that some spaces should be safe for
> some purposes. The question to be discussed, on a case by case
> basis, is, Are the functions of a space improved or diminished
> by making it “safe” in some specific way. But there’s
> another point, here. Assuming one is trying to convince
> others, not just mouthing off, when does aggressive rhetoric
> assist in changing minds. And if one is NOT trying to change
> minds, why exactly are we talking? That’s NOT a rhetorical
> question.
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> Nick
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> Nicholas Thompson
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> Emeritus Professor of Ethology and Psychology
>
> Clark University
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> ThompNickSon2 at gmail.com <mailto:ThompNickSon2 at gmail.com>
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> https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/
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> *From:* Friam <friam-bounces at redfish.com
> <mailto:friam-bounces at redfish.com>> *On Behalf Of *Marcus Daniels
> *Sent:* Saturday, June 6, 2020 12:01 PM
> *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group
> <friam at redfish.com <mailto:friam at redfish.com>>
> *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] millenarianism
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> Nick writes:
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> < Surely there is SOME value, SOME times, in just trying to
> “get on”. >
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> I don’t see why the absence of that is hostility, or even
> bad. I do see situations in which individuals want latitude
> to have any remarks they make taken as valid and kind should
> be afforded the same discomfort they impose on others. I
> certainly am not arguing for safe spaces. Actual safe spaces
> are controlled by people that hold some power. Tear down
> that power – prevent communities -- and discussions will be safe.
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> Marcus
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