[FRIAM] Application of robo-pigeon in ethological studies of bird flocks

[Steve Smith]

Nick -

I asked this because the style of your statement felt like it had the 
flavor of Cold War Rhetoric which I was (also) raised on.   I (want to) 
think something more sophisticated (and interesting) is afoot today and 
that while I don't want to fall into the low-entropy stylization implied 
by this CCP Spectre, I *do* want to believe (or seek) something good 
that the CCP "great experiment" might have found while we were on our 
NeoLiberal hyperCapitalism "great experiment".   Is there room to learn 
something (humanist/humanitarian) from them?   I believe StephenG's 
familiarity with China in modern times (as well as others) may offer us 
some parallax?

- Steve

On 11/11/21 10:42 AM, thompnickson2 at gmail.com wrote:
>
> Steve,
>
> No.  You are right on target for the thread.  My understanding of the 
> present Government is that it is absolutely convinced that the 
> centralist, technological, authoritarian model of government superior 
> to other models and that this is their time to demonstrate that 
> superiority.   I can really imagine some CCP leaders reading this 
> research and thinking, “mmmmmmmmm!  THAT’S interesting.  In my back 
> yard, back in the sixties, there was a teensy little CIA research 
> station figuring out how to get animals –dogs, ravens, pigeons, 
> donkeys, what-have-you, to carry bombs for them, using a combination 
> of training and neural implants.  When the gave up the project, they 
> left behind two gigantic glass carboys filled with pickled dogs heads.
>
> The Shadow Knows.
>
> Nick
>
> Nick Thompson
>
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> *From:* Friam <friam-bounces at redfish.com> *On Behalf Of *Steve Smith
> *Sent:* Thursday, November 11, 2021 11:22 AM
> *To:* friam at redfish.com
> *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] Application of robo-pigeon in ethological 
> studies of bird flocks
>
> Nick -
>
>     Chinese science moves ahead in the development of the ideal society.
>
> I don't mean to be flip in my question, but have to ask if you are 
> being flip in this statement?  Can you say more about what you think 
> the Chinese gov't/people/culture might be "trying" to do, either 
> overtly, or implicitly by simply following their individual 
> goals/interests/desires?
>
> I believe that the collective dynamics between Nations/Peoples are 
> what is dominating the movement/evolution of humanity (cultural, not 
> genetic) and that it is like an N-body problem in complexity and 
> subtlety but is effected primarily through network relations.
>
> Like Gene Expression Networks, I believe that the more important 
> "memes" (I think this is a useful but risky metaphorical binding that 
> Dawkins coined for us most of a career (for me) ago) are those that 
> are _regulatory_ which is why the likes of Trump and Bannon and Stone 
> and the whole cabal of supervillians we are coping with these days 
> focus on things like "fake news!" and "big lie!", etc.   In the spirit 
> of McLuhan, "the medium IS the message", the medium itself becomes the 
> _thing to manipulate_ like trying to disrupt the news credibility and 
> the election process as well as becoming the definition of a 
> tweetHole, and using Facebook to disseminate dysInfo etc.
>
> I know this is an acute threadbend, you were trying to talk about 
> birds and flocking and experimental techniques for studying same...  
> if you do feel inclined to answer, it is probably best to rethread.
>
>     https://jin.imrpress.com/article/2020/1757-448X/1757-448X-19-3-443.shtml
>
>
>     If the robo-pigeon is a dominant member of the flock, you can make
>     the flock do loop-di-loops by commanding the robo-pigeon to loop. 
>     If subordinate, the loop-di-looping behavior of the robopigeon has
>     no effect on the flock.  A robo-pigeon is one with a brain implant
>     and pigeons are operated on AFTER their dominance in the flock has
>     been determined.
>
>     I hope I have this all right.
>
>     Nick
>
>
>
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