[FRIAM] altered states of consciousness

Thu Mar 17 11:51:25 EDT 2022

Something I've been interested in since the earliest days of 
open-sourcing and crowd sourcing has been the challenge of making sure 
the data collected, and to some extent the synthetic and analytic 
products thereof remain not only in the public domain but also to be 
facilitated as aggressively as possible.   I know most of us love to 
hate Google and Amazon and Facebook for the ways they monetize our 
collective input and they have chosen (been forced to?) give us access 
to our "own" data in the same way 60's radical-wanna-bes used to demand 
to see their FBI file.

Tom Johnson's engagement in the open Journalism and open Gov/Data 
efforts is one thrust, but/and I think we need something further, though 
I don't know exactly how much.   I've a younger friend who evolved from 
learning data-science as a hydrogeologist working for a remote-sensing 
(satellite-ag-industry) startup in SFe to getting swallowed up by the 
likes of Monsanto to jumping ship for an entirely open-source/data 
project that effectively competes but also supports these commercial 
efforts (because they are much more prepared to exploit the 
databases).    Zingale's participation (as I understand it) straddles 
that line as well, contributing and synthesizing highly useful data in 
the molecular informatics space, much of which becomes implicitly 
available to "everyone" whilst being (yet more) leveraged by the 
commercial effort itself.  Just over a year ago, the Mapillary project 
(first person GeoSpatial/navigational/imaging like Streetview) whose 
data/algorithms were open source and leveraged by crowd-sourced 
collection was bought out by Facebook for some Meta AR purpose.  I can't 
tell how much of the crowd-sourced data and what was synthesized by it 
remains as open as was implied by the promise of crowd-sourcing.    The 
list goes on and the issues get more subtle.

The DNA individual testing seems like a good domain to consider as well 
with a modest percent of the population motivated to pay to be part of 
the massive data gathering in return for a few hints about their 
ancestry and/or health-risks.   The data gathered is technically 
(always?) available to the consumer, but the true value is in the 
collective which is what the companies are monetizing.  I know their are 
some open-data/source projects to try to mirror what the private 
companies are doing, but it requires customers of the commercial 
companies to intentionally download/upload their sequence data.

All the recommender applications (from Google Search to Netflix to 
Google/Yahoo/Facebook Newsfeeds) are right in the middle of this.

I'd be curious/interestedin the Kernel-like feedback I could get by 
participating, but knowing that the raw data isn't very useful to me 
(though maybe moreso than to most) and that Kernel (and their ilk) are 
likely to release only the most tiny sliver of insight they are gaining 
back to the participants (for a plethora of reasons, some righteous, 
others not-so-much).

This feels like a push-comes-to-shove moment in the Free Market model 
where the fungible results ("Product" in "Means of production") are 
wildly divergent in value qualitatively and quantitatively.

Mumble,

  - Steve

On 3/17/22 9:16 AM, Marcus Daniels wrote:
> They’ve got the right idea about recruiting though. 
> https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-022-04492-9
>
>
>> On Mar 15, 2022, at 4:15 PM, Prof David West <profwest at fastmail.fm> 
>> wrote:
>>
>> 
>> Kernel has more sophisticated technology than was available in the 
>> late 60's and early 70's, but their basic research plan—as near as I 
>> can discover—is a pale imitation of the extensive research done by 
>> Charles Tart, John Lilly, and a host of investigators into altered 
>> states of consciousness.
>>
>> John Lilly was (in)famous for his work on human-dolphin communication 
>> and experiments giving dolphins LSD. His group did extensive research 
>> on the use of hallucinogens along with "programming the biocomputer" 
>> techniques to treat various psychological disorders.
>>
>> My introduction to LSD was via participation in a research project at 
>> Macalester College (1969). We were wired to a rack mounted computer 
>> system with electrode patches all over our shaved heads registering 
>> brain wave patterns. The study also compared LSD altered states with 
>> meditation and Hatha Yoga induced states. One experiment used 
>> inversion glasses to mess with perception and the "adjustment phase 
>> altered state" while the brain 're-programmed' itself to an 
>> upside-down world.
>>
>> Therapeutic effects for depression were noted then.
>>
>> The research done then would never be approved today because it 
>> involved human subjects and "dangerous" substances: LSD, psylocibin, 
>> and mescaline.
>>
>> davew
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 15, 2022, at 3:18 PM, Marcus Daniels wrote:
>>>
>>> https://www.kernel.com/participate
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Friam <friam-bounces at redfish.com> *On Behalf Of *Merle Lefkoff
>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 15, 2022 3:15 PM
>>> *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group 
>>> <friam at redfish.com>
>>> *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] altered states of consciousness
>>>
>>>
>>> Marcus, please send the link. Didn't appear in my email.  Thanks.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Mar 15, 2022 at 3:17 PM Marcus Daniels 
>>> <marcus at snoutfarm.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>     Since some of you are not compulsive link followers, I will go
>>>     ahead and include the caption:
>>>
>>>
>>>     “If you have tried ketamine or a psychedelic substance in the
>>>     past such as, psilocybin (mushrooms), you may be eligible to
>>>     enroll in a study investigating the effects of lowdose ketamine
>>>     on the brain.”
>>>
>>>
>>>     What is the world coming to?
>>>
>>>
>>>     *From:* Friam <friam-bounces at redfish.com> *On Behalf Of *Marcus
>>>     Daniels
>>>     *Sent:* Tuesday, March 15, 2022 2:14 PM
>>>     *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group
>>>     <friam at redfish.com>
>>>     *Subject:* [FRIAM] altered states of consciousness
>>>
>>>
>>>     I must post this because I can’t even believe their advertisements.
>>>
>>>
>>>     Marcus
>>>
>>>
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