[FRIAM] Sunshine protection act

Fri Mar 18 17:15:43 EDT 2022

I concede that most natural systems probably do not play nicely with any
measurement system. Counting the toes in a group of three toed sloths would
probably lend itself to a base 3(or multiple) system. However counting toes
in a primate enclosure(maybe the mall during flipflop season) would
probably work better on a base ten system. As for calendars, I think the
Hobbits got it right with a year consists of 60 x 6 day weeks and 5ish days
of heavy feasting at the end of the year. That seems like a nice system. I
especially like the 4 day work week.

The efficiency of the Imperial system in doing almost anything is so slow
and prone to errors. I recently built a shed with a pitched roof using a
base 16 inch measuring tape. Have you ever tried to calculate the stud
height of irregularly spaced studs on a sloped roof in base 16. I had to
convert everything to decimal first then convert back in order to do it on
my calculator.

Steve, I challenge you to a race without Google searching. Here are some
questions in metric and imperial. I will do them in metric and you do them
in imperial. Which measurement system is faster?

1🗺: Alice has 3 x 1 Liter jugs of water in her backpack. How much does the
water weigh in grams?
1🇺🇸: Bob has 3 x 1 gallon jugs of water in his backpack. How much does
the water weigh in ounces (not fluid ounces, the other one) ?

2🗺: A straight road is 10m wide and 40 km long. What is the area of the
road in square centimeters?
2🇺🇸: A straight road is 10ft wide and 40 miles long. What is the area of
the road in square inches?

3🗺: A chip weighs 1kg/meter. What does a 1cm chip weigh in grams?
3🇺🇸: A french fry weighs 1 pound/yard. What does a 1 inch french fry
weigh in ounces?

Cody Smith

On Thu, Mar 17, 2022 at 6:12 PM Steve Smith <sasmyth at swcp.com> wrote:

>
> I hope the imperial measurement system is the next thing to go.
>
> Yah... I can't wait for 10 hour days with 100 days a year and 10, 10 day
> months or would it be 10 10 m-week m-months made up of 10 m-day m-weeks and
> 10 m-hour m-days?  10,000 m-hour-things a year?  Each m-hour made up of 100
> m-minutes and 100 m-seconds per m-minute? or 10,000 m-seconds per m-hour?
> I think that is roughly 52 old-minutes per m-hour so about 2 m-minutes per
> old-minute and about 1.6 old-second per m-minute?   Is that 10^8 m-seconds
> per year?   And a purist would probably insist on there being 10&10
> m-seconds per year, though we could instead use m-msecs as our atomic unit
> of perception, though that would be 10^11 ?  Or settle for m-centi-secs?  I
> might barely be able to perceptually recognize things at that level since
> it is vaguely down near the frequencies where
>
> I'm not sure how to get the sun and moon to sign up for all that.  Or
> revert everything to sexigesimal instead... maybe add a finger on each hand
> to simplify the counting thing?
>
> In the kitchen and with lumber and cordage I find halves and quarters and
> even eighths easier to work with than tenths.   I get the convenience of
> metric for calculation with decimal number systems...   but dividing things
> into halves and halves of halves and even thirds is a pretty compelling
> intuitive process.  Sexigesimal (60) invokes 5ths  as well which then
> supports/allows/extends the ability to divide by 2,3,5 or more elaborately
> 360 base with 3,4,5,6 divisors.   I find that playing cards (solitaire and
> some rummy-like-games) as a child informed me in base 4 (suites) base 13
> (ace-king) and therefore base 52 intuitions which ultimately spilled over
> into weeks of the moon(th) and moon(ths) of the year.   Quartering the Moon
> and Sun cycle gives us intuitively compelling (registered on nature's
> evident rhythms) basis for 7-day weeks and 3 moon(th) Seasons of sorts.
> I've never experienced directly a lunar calendar but have friends who are
> Muslim who end up with a lunar-solar sense of annual scheduling.  I think
> if I lived in a more temperate/equatorial geography, lunar/lunar-solar
> might be more obvious.   Also if I lived more outside of a climate
> controlled house and did more night-time hunting/warring, the phases of the
> moon would be (yet) more evident/important.
>
> - Gramble
>
>
>
> On Thu, Mar 17, 2022, 1:00 PM cody dooderson <d00d3rs0n at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> For those of you who don't get all of your news from XKCD,
>> https://xkcd.com/2594 .
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 16, 2022, 3:03 PM Gillian Densmore <gil.densmore at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Mar 15, 2022 at 5:34 PM Steve Smith <sasmyth at swcp.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 3/15/22 3:29 PM, Gillian Densmore wrote:
>>>> > Please pass
>>>> >
>>>> https://www.cnet.com/culture/senate-unanimously-passes-bill-to-make-daylight-saving-time-permanent/
>>>> >
>>>> > I had to google that this wasn't early April fools, or that I was
>>>> > misreading things.
>>>>
>>>> except they got it backwards?   People who *like* getting up and going
>>>> to work before the sun comes up should find a job where that is
>>>> rewarded, or at least accepted... there are many.   But how many folks
>>>> want to walk into work from the parking lot in the dark at 8AM?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>> I'm a bit of a purist, wanting the sun to be at "high noon" at noontime
>>>> and the sunrise and sunset roughly symmetric around that moment.  It is
>>>> a tiny and ideological thing, so I get it that nobody else cares.
>>>>
>>> Agreed that noon. 'high noon' is when the sun is at the top of the sky.
>>> And we have. Or at least probably have any number of simple tech fixes
>>> to get  a lot of sunshine through the day for any given location. such that
>>> noon at *35° 41' 29.5584'' N and 105° 56' 39.0588'' W*.  For Santa Fe,
>>> NM
>>> means that sensors and some kind of geo-location hack for clocks,
>>> computers etc know to make adjustments through out the year to make sure
>>> noon means the sun is pretty close to the top of the sky on a y axis for
>>> those coordinates.
>>> lol but I have a feeling words like: probabilities, statistically even,
>>> Y-axis, optimal, random, and simply give us enough F'n sunshine. For the
>>> white house would make to many peoples eyes glaze over. just getting to
>>> have one or the other is a pretty good solid step. Dynamic Time adjustments
>>> can come along shortly.
>>> What's kind of funny is Arizona has been quietly sitting around going
>>> we're working just fine, you don't need to...ok how long is this weirdness
>>> going to keep going.
>>> I wonder how many tongs got bitten on to not do a told you so. and how
>>> many more going to be pretty sore for quite a while if/when it passes.
>>>
>>>> but... whatever... I have very few schedules enforced on me, and those
>>>> that are are generally not as arbitrary as the MDT/DST differences.
>>>>
>>>> > Now it just needs to get passed the court jester and man who looks
>>>> and
>>>> > sounds like a constipated turtle: Mconnel.
>>>> >
>>>> > Gives me a little hope for UBI and a NHS.
>>>> >
>>>> I'd like to think that a unanimous decision like this might help break
>>>> up some of the corrosion in the system keeping it locked up, but I
>>>> think
>>>> the GOP (goofy old party) has too much invested in things that the UBI
>>>> and NHS would confront.
>>>>
>>>> LOL I like how you think. And alas, probably right.
>>>>
>>> I googled how many places don't have a summer or winter clock: a lot
>>> don't. Is this graph right that Japan noped out of a summer and winter
>>> clock system?
>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daylight_saving_time_by_country
>>> so what I'm reading is two clocks is limited to only a few places and
>>> the rest of the globe is working pretty well with one type of clock?
>>> coolness!
>>>
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