[FRIAM] Does Dusty Love Dave, and VV.

[Stephen Guerin]

On Mon, Jul 15, 2024 at 10:54 AM Nicholas Thompson <thompnickson2 at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Here is an example  If you play a dog's bark back to him, does he respond
> as if it's the bark of an intruder?
> If not, that suggest some sort of self recognition mechanism,  given that
> the bark I give sounds a heluva lot different  from the bark I would hear
> if if I were the hearer of my own bark.
>

Nick

Dog recognizing its own bark may be close to the  self-recognition in
mirror test which dogs and cats fail (and some humans). Dogs do recognize
their own odor in many tests.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mirror_test

+-----------------+---------------------------+
| Species         | Mirror Self-Recognition    |
+-----------------+---------------------------+
| Infants         | Yes (18-24 months)         |
| Monkeys         | No                         |
| Chimps          | Yes (2-3 years)            |
| Dolphins        | Yes (2-3 years)            |
| Democrats       | Yes (18-24 months)         |
| Elephants       | Yes (2-3 years)            |
| Magpies         | Yes                        |
| Republicans     | Mixed                      |
| Gorillas        | Mixed                      |
| Orangutans      | Yes                        |
| Pigeons         | Mixed                      |
| Octopi          | No                         |
| Dogs            | No                         |
| Cats            | No                         |
+-----------------+---------------------------+

Amsterdam, B. (1972). Mirror self-image reactions before age two.
Developmental Psychobiology, 5(4), 297–305.
https://doi.org/10.1002/dev.420050403.
https://redfish.com/papers/Amsterdam-1972-Mirrorself-imagereactionsbeforeagetwo.pdf
EGallup, G. G. (1970). "Chimpanzees: Self-recognition." *Science*,
167(3914), 86-87. https://sci-hub.se/10.1126/science.167.3914.8
<https://sci-hub.se/10.1126/science.167.3914.86>
Reiss, D., & Marino, L. (2001). "Mirror self-recognition in the bottlenose
dolphin: A case of cognitive convergence." *Proceedings of the National
Academy of Sciences*, 98(10), 5937-5942.
https://www.pnas.org/doi/full/10.1073/pnas.101086398
<https://www.pnas.org/content/98/10/593>
Plotnik, J. M., de Waal, F. B., & Reiss, D. (2006). "Self-recognition in an
Asian elephant." *Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences*,
103(45), 17053-17057. https://www.pnas.org/content/103/45/17053

FWIW,  I don't consider self-awareness necessary for consciousness - though
it is an interesting topic to me like theory-of-mind.

-Stephen
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