[FRIAM] Joscha Bach claims Microsoft sentient but not conscious

[glen]

"2nd order perception": exactly

But when he talks about it happening immediately, that only flattens time without flattening modes/dimensions, as I failed to express in my email about order versus meta: https://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/2024-July/095575.html (snipped below). It's relatively easy to imagine how one can execute a function over both a primitive and a derivation from that primative (e.g. taste and f(taste)) simultaneously if you think in circuits rather than code. You simply draw a wire from the input into both a function and a junction with the output of that function which then feeds another function. (So-called data flow models of computation.) And what is that bag of meat in our heads if not a very messy (collection of) circuit(s)?

On 7/5/24 16:47, glen wrote:
> ... these orders may not complete. The ordering may be partial, where for example an Operator, O, might operate over a zeroth order signal from the environment combined with a 2nd order derivation. E.g.
> 
> O{taste, f(taste), g(f²(taste))), where f²() is something like f() applied twice either in time (like a wine that changes as you swish it in your mouth) or space (like a food that has chemicals inducing both salty and sweet).


On 7/15/24 18:46, Jon Zingale wrote:
> An interesting collection of ideas regarding consciousness. For instance, not meta cognition but immediate perception. A bubble of nowness, etc... I am not certain if the lecture is interesting, but it seemed relevant.
> 
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LlLbHm-bJQE&t=908s <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LlLbHm-bJQE&t=908s>


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