[FRIAM] Joscha Bach claims Microsoft sentient but not conscious

[glen]

Well, Bach's distinction seems pretty good, to me:

> • Consciousness: experience of what it's like
>   · Phenomenal consciousness: awareness of content
>   · Access consciousness: mode of access
>   · Reflexive consciousness: awareness of awareness
> • Intelligence: ability to make models
> • Rationality: ability to reach goals
> • Sentience: acting on a cohesive model of universe and self
> • Self: model of a system's agency
> • Mind: functionality that generates a model of the universe
> • First Person Perspective:
>   · perspectival awareness of own agency

Of course, I would use different words for most of this. But I could probably adopt his language if necessary. His graphs would benefit from meditating on Eric's hypergraphs, though.

On 7/16/24 13:13, steve smith wrote:
> My litany of examples of entities in my life all share the fact of "living in a bubble of nowness".   The fact that those bubbles overlap to different degrees seems to contribute to our "mutual" apprehension of one another's consciousness (not symmetric).
> 
> The non-animal entities at the best probably have very narrow bubbles in space (2x their extent) and very wide in time (hours, seasons, years) compared to ours.   The (in)famous Black Mesa a mile or so from me or Buckman Mesa (looming over me) in their basaltic-plug geology would seem to have a geospatial bubble a tiny fraction their dimension but a time apprehension of hundreds of thousands of years?
> 
> I'm stretching the concept of "what means consciousness" half-playfully and half-seriously.   Seeking partly to niggle out from the crowd how much of what we attribute to another entity's "Consciousness" is highly projective of our own (self) Consciousness?
> 
> OK... we do need to split the hair of "sentient" from "conscious" I suppose...
> 
> Split Away!
> 
> 
> On 7/15/24 7:46 PM, Jon Zingale wrote:
>> An interesting collection of ideas regarding consciousness. For instance, not meta cognition but immediate perception. A bubble of nowness, etc... I am not certain if the lecture is interesting, but it seemed relevant.
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>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LlLbHm-bJQE&t=908s <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LlLbHm-bJQE&t=908s>

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