[FRIAM] Back to the effing ineffable!

[steve smith]

EricS/DaveW
> Meanwhile, the program of living, including all its events of 
> choosing, is not contained within the formal system.  Alongside the 
> formal system, the program of living as it is realized is yet-another 
> thing in the world, of a different kind.

This is downright poetic.

It echoes Schweitzer's "I am life that wills to live, in the midst of 
life that wills to live." which I tend to generalize to "Life is that 
which wills to live amongst that which wills to live".

And Schopenhauer's  "Life is a language in which certain truths are 
conveyed to us; if we could learn them in some other way, we should not 
live."    Many things you reference related to language reminds me of 
Schopenhauer's proto-thoughts from another era in his "The World as Will 
and Representation"

I appreciated your acknowledgement of DaveWs willingness ability to 
articulate-in/defer-to an analytic language or stylization of expression 
while holding true to his inner experience which is of a different 
kind.  (as I understood it).   I attribute "effing the ineffable" to 
him, though that may be my projection.  I find it brilliant.

In this split between the ultra-rational and the mystic I am more an 
agnostic than anything, not convinced of either having primacy but 
rather finding them both persuasive in their own domains and useful even 
to myself as I wander between them or walk a fine line just one side or 
the other noticing the other-other as phantasms dancing just beyond some 
veil.   Perhaps having my corpus callosum split would help me return to 
the naive but perhaps more natural state implied by Julian Jayne's 
"Bicameral Mind" concept (recently re-introduced here by Jochen, tyvm).  
I can't say that the meta-cognitive dissonance the co-munnication causes 
me much distress but I suspect that it is a source of a lot of my 
correspondents disconcert with some of my method/madness seeming 
conflations?  Let the muddle proceed...

In a sociospiritual domain, what you say about "choice" resonates with 
my own experience of probability vs possibility.  Life is that which 
seeks to exploit probabilities to explore possibilities more efficiently 
(amongst other systems following the same program)?

this is getting deep and layered as it always does when I attempt to 
/eff the ineffable/ ... but the central theme of emergence appears to be 
the generalization of this?

Glen, if he has been able to wade this deep in my mumbled musings, has 
tried (I believe) to raise something like this when he has railed 
against (or merely questioned) the use of the term "levels" to talk (I 
think) about emergence?   it is all tied in with the semiotics of 
affordances as well?  Guerin has endured this question from me before...

Mumble,

  - Steve

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