[FRIAM] Back to the effing ineffable!

[Frank Wimberly]

Steve wrote "In this split between the ultra-rational and the mystic I am
more an agnostic than anything, not convinced of either having primacy ".

This reminds me of a conversation I had with my boss at the Pittsburgh
Supercomputing Center, a Division of Carnegie Mellon.  He was a devout
Catholic and a particle physicist.  I asked him how he reconciled his faith
and his work.  He said, "Two different worlds."

Frank


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On Tue, Jul 23, 2024, 9:04 AM steve smith <sasmyth at swcp.com> wrote:

> EricS/DaveW
>
> Meanwhile, the program of living, including all its events of choosing, is
> not contained within the formal system.  Alongside the formal system, the
> program of living as it is realized is yet-another thing in the world, of a
> different kind.
>
> This is downright poetic.
>
> It echoes Schweitzer's "I am life that wills to live, in the midst of life
> that wills to live." which I tend to generalize to "Life is that which
> wills to live amongst that which wills to live".
>
> And Schopenhauer's  "Life is a language in which certain truths are
> conveyed to us; if we could learn them in some other way, we should not
> live."    Many things you reference related to language reminds me of
> Schopenhauer's proto-thoughts from another era in his "The World as Will
> and Representation"
>
> I appreciated your acknowledgement of DaveWs willingness ability to
> articulate-in/defer-to an analytic language or stylization of expression
> while holding true to his inner experience which is of a different kind.
> (as I understood it).   I attribute "effing the ineffable" to him, though
> that may be my projection.  I find it brilliant.
>
> In this split between the ultra-rational and the mystic I am more an
> agnostic than anything, not convinced of either having primacy but rather
> finding them both persuasive in their own domains and useful even to myself
> as I wander between them or walk a fine line just one side or the other
> noticing the other-other as phantasms dancing just beyond some veil.
> Perhaps having my corpus callosum split would help me return to the naive
> but perhaps more natural state implied by Julian Jayne's "Bicameral Mind"
> concept (recently re-introduced here by Jochen, tyvm).  I can't say that
> the meta-cognitive dissonance the co-munnication causes me much distress
> but I suspect that it is a source of a lot of my correspondents disconcert
> with some of my method/madness seeming conflations?  Let the muddle
> proceed...
>
> In a sociospiritual domain, what you say about "choice" resonates with my
> own experience of probability vs possibility.  Life is that which seeks to
> exploit probabilities to explore possibilities more efficiently (amongst
> other systems following the same program)?
>
> this is getting deep and layered as it always does when I attempt to *eff
> the ineffable* ... but the central theme of emergence appears to be the
> generalization of this?
>
> Glen, if he has been able to wade this deep in my mumbled musings, has
> tried (I believe) to raise something like this when he has railed against
> (or merely questioned) the use of the term "levels" to talk (I think) about
> emergence?   it is all tied in with the semiotics of affordances as well?
> Guerin has endured this question from me before...
>
> Mumble,
>
>  - Steve
>
>
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