[FRIAM] Writing and Civilization and AI, oh my!

[Prof David West]

None of **IT**.

The problem is 'extracting' and formalizing **IT** with sufficient rigor to be encodable.

davew


On Fri, Jul 26, 2024, at 2:13 PM, Marcus Daniels wrote:
> Which of this cannot be encoded digitally by a robot?
>
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> I agree with one small caveat. Artifacts; tangible, written, 
> stigmergic, ... are but a small part of what is "cooperatively 
> constructed and kneaded." The vast majority of what an individual 
> "knows" and the vast majority of what the 'collective' "knows" is 
> tacit, 'in-the-mind' and transmitted orally and/or by non-formal means.
>
> davew
>
>
> On Fri, Jul 26, 2024, at 12:18 PM, glen wrote:
>> Similarly, but a bit larger in scope, humans (and other animals) are 
>> merely small parts of a larger system. The extent to which any one 
>> person actually knows anything (much less is wise about anything) is 
>> negligible, on the same order as that which a chimpanzee knows or is 
>> wise about something. What's *valuable*, worth preserving, are the 
>> cooperatively constructed and kneaded stigmergic cultural artifacts.
>>
>> But unlike Plato's straw man, suggesting the artifacts are somehow 
>> fixed and repetitive, what's interesting about them is a) their 
>> re-interpretation through successive generations and b) the 
>> derivations spawned from them. Decay and derivation are more 
>> informative than preservation. No single artifact (including flora and 
>> fauna, knowledge or wisdom) matters. What matters is the milieu, 
>> co-mediated by artifacts like math and painting.
>>
>> On 7/26/24 09:14, Marcus Daniels wrote:
>>> *< *Particularly galling to me is the deprecation and dismissal of 
>>> any human knowledge, wisdom, experience ... that cannot be reduced to 
>>> mere words and abstract symbols. The epitome of this is the conceit 
>>> that AI—which is nothing more than the algorithmic manipulation of 
>>> abstract meaningless tokens is somehow "equivalent" to human 
>>> intelligence.>
>>> 
>>> The conceit of humans, thinking their low energy, low frequency, lossy biochemical system can compete with tens of thousands of 80 billion-transistor GPUs each running a billion operations a second.
>>
>>
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