[FRIAM] Want to leave the U.S.?

[steve smith]

Thanks for the links Jochen...

A little online noodling discovers that the US OASI (old age and 
survivors) benefits (social security) runs about  $1T/income and US 
digital nomadism currently represents about $2.5T/yr income which might 
be a solid 10% of the US GDP.

If half of the (as per electorate) were to "take their ball and go 
abroad" that would be a significant (but not debilitatating) drain from 
the US economy?  *new* digital nomads (as well as existing) seem likely 
to be more represented among progressives? I'm not fully aware of the 
taxation implications but the *domestic spending* that moves 
out-of-country seems significant.

Best I can tell, current rules don't disenfranchise ex-patriots as long 
as they maintain US citizenship while living/working abroad...  though a 
major move to this could lead the masterGerryMander-VoteSuppression 
caucus to revise those rules/policies/laws.  Wouldn't it reslly gripe 
some red-hatted asses if blue-hearted retirees and tech workers moved 
their voting addresses to Red unto Purple locales and then promptly took 
their money abroad?

I can imagine various countries seeking these $$ to flow into their 
economies...  but with threats of the AMOC overturning it's not clear 
where one wouldn't just be wandering into the jaws of "climate change".

My parents "fled" Appalachia post WWII for opportunities in the West and 
their ancestors "fled" Europe at various times for the opportunities in 
"the New World"... so I suppose it isn't to "unpatriotic" to flee the 
"Greater Nazi Reich" (PK Dick) or "Gilead" (Atwood).

At 17 I was prepared to "flee" the country that was dead set on turning 
me into a killer (or get me killed by someone as innocent as I) for what 
was becoming more and more obvious a misbegotten geopolitical move, 
nothing like what it was sold as.  Then I felt obliged to "never come 
back" since it felt like I was "abandoning" my country.   Today, my 
allegences are a bit broader (all 
humans/life/self-organizing-systems/all-one)?

FWIW I'm not actively shopping for a new country but am more 
understanding of those who are contemplating such in their "fight or 
flight" response.

On 11/10/24 9:21 AM, Jochen Fromm wrote:
>
> Some scientists expected that Trump would win and moved early on to 
> Europe, for example John Carlos Baez who moved to Edinburgh in Scotland
>
> https://mathstodon.xyz/@johncarlosbaez/112721900506353931
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>
> If you think about leaving a future Trumpistan then the following 
> article might be interesting. Forbes lists countries welcoming 
> Americans with open arms: Spain, Italy, France, and Canada are among them
>
> https://www.forbes.com/sites/laurabegleybloom/2024/11/06/want-to-leave-the-us-the-best-countries-for-americans-to-move-to/
>
>
> I believe Australia, Ireland and New Zealand are also good choices 
> simply because of the language.
>
> https://www.cnbc.com/2024/11/08/americans-interested-in-moving-abroad-skyrocket-after-trumps-win.html
>
>
> -J.
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