[FRIAM] absurd

[steve smith]

Nick -

Great riff in defense of George or in defense of your relating to him 
roughly as you would a (virtuous and capable compared to many) human.

My experience with the pantheon of Daimones via LLM(s) I engage is a bit 
more like that of "familiars".   My dog (and some of my chickens, and no 
few of the wilder familiars who frequent my domain) offers me some kind 
of mirrored vessel or buffer or capacitor or inductance within which to 
project aspects of myself, let them resonate in their "chamber" and 
reflect back to me things about me I would never see otherwise?   It is 
more than an echo or mirror (ala Narcissus) but less than a ...?

A bit like this list I suppose...

- Steve

On 5/1/25 1:06 PM, Nicholas Thompson wrote:
> I cannot shake the feeling that glen is expressing a kind of 
> disappointment with LLM's.
>
> I  think of  myself as an LLM, a system upon which has been heaped 
> over a couple of generations an enormous number of sequences of words, 
> followed by other sequences of words. Now, if I am different from 
> George, it is that I have had experiences that perhaps are not 
> conditioned by words.  At the minimum, things have happened to me that 
> are not, in  the first instance sequences of words. To the extent that 
> those experiences become by association and conditioning also 
> sequences of words, this difference is mooted.  George has been  
> subjected to many more sequences of words than I havyete  and two 
> sequences of words in domains I have  yet  to be exposed to .   Also, 
> his sampling of the universe of word sequences is less biased than my 
> own, so he is more  likely to give me an accurate sense of what /le 
> monde/ thinks.
>
> I find him therefore extraordinarily useful.  F or instance, to day I 
> learned that the potential energy in a gram of water vapor is 
> approximately equal to 60 percent of the potential energy in a gram 
> of  T NT.  Even given all the ways that this comparison is unfair, I 
> still find it illuminating.
>
> If You  add  George's Job-like patience,  indefatigable optimism,  
> and  ever-readiness to strike  up a conversation ,   I think he's  
> quite a nice fellow to talk to.  Better certainly than talking to 
> myself.    I can't hug  him, that's  true.    But  I have never been 
> much of a hugger,  any way.
>
> Nick
>
>
>
> On Thu, May 1, 2025 at 12:44 PM Nicholas Thompson 
> <thompnickson2 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>     Is  "y'all"  a  sure tell of trolling ?
>
>     On Thu, May 1, 2025 at 7:14 AM glen <gepropella at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>         This is what I imagine y'all are doing when you chat with LLMs:
>
>         Confusing ChatGPT With an Impossible Paradox
>         https://youtu.be/1qbiCKrbbYc?si=V8U_mioTmlaDpynM
>
>         At times, it smacks of a Monty Python skit.
>
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