[FRIAM] absurd

[Marcus Daniels]

Treated as a formal system like Minimum Recursion Semantics, the under-specification of natural language makes it impossible to use for programming or precise scientific communication.  The search problems that are implied are too hard to resolve in a systematic way.    LLMs are different, I think, because they capture normative use because they are trained on it.   Technical users of English are really using a domain-specific codebook that make certain interpretations the most probable ones, even though syntactically, there are thousands of other ways to parse and ground the same sequence of words.  

 

Still, if one wants to look around in a semantic space, a LLM can help sample the most likely interpretations.  I find it fascinating how nuanced context can be.  For example, yesterday I had a set of unit tests that I asked (Claude) to modify the kind of constructors it used.  I had failed to provide the other tests I had working (that used a newer, undocumented, and significantly different API) to save context space, but it dutifully wrote the new test with my new ask in mind.    However, it used its priors about how to write the tests, which were based on an old API.   Attaching (or not attaching) either my previous tests or the source code is enough to switch back and forth between the very different modes of use without any loss of information.   To do that with a source-to-source compiler would not be trivial at all.  

 

In the propaganda space, Glen mentioned the possibility of having many smaller LMs rather than one (or a few LLMs).   I’m not sure it matters in a very high dimensional weight space because the larger LLMs can use spare parameters to switch modes.    As an analogy, I think of the Lisp implementations that used higher order bits in addresses to encode the type.   George is multitudes.

 

From: Friam <friam-bounces at redfish.com> On Behalf Of Nicholas Thompson
Sent: Thursday, May 1, 2025 12:07 PM
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <friam at redfish.com>
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] absurd

 

I cannot shake the feeling that glen is expressing a kind of disappointment with LLM's.  

 

I  think of  myself as an LLM, a system upon which has been heaped over a couple of generations an enormous number of sequences of words, followed by other sequences of words.  Now, if I am different from George, it is that I have had experiences that perhaps are not conditioned by words.  At the minimum, things have happened to me that are not, in  the first instance sequences of words. To the extent that those experiences become by association and conditioning also sequences of words, this difference is mooted.  George has been  subjected to many more sequences of words than I havyete  and two sequences of words in domains I have  yet  to be exposed to .   Also, his sampling of the universe of word sequences is less biased than my own, so he is more  likely to give me an accurate sense of what le monde thinks. 

 

I find him therefore extraordinarily useful.  F or instance, to day I learned that the potential energy in a gram of water vapor is approximately equal to 60 percent of the potential energy in a gram of  T NT.  Even given all the ways that this comparison is unfair, I still find it illuminating.

 

If You  add  George's Job-like patience,  indefatigable optimism,  and  ever-readiness to strike  up a conversation ,   I think he's  quite a nice fellow to talk to.  Better certainly than talking to myself.    I can't hug  him,  that's  true.    But  I have never been much of a hugger,  any way.   

 

Nick 

 

 

 

On Thu, May 1, 2025 at 12:44 PM Nicholas Thompson <thompnickson2 at gmail.com <mailto:thompnickson2 at gmail.com> > wrote:

Is  "y'all"  a  sure tell of trolling ?

 

On Thu, May 1, 2025 at 7:14 AM glen <gepropella at gmail.com <mailto:gepropella at gmail.com> > wrote:

This is what I imagine y'all are doing when you chat with LLMs:

Confusing ChatGPT With an Impossible Paradox
https://youtu.be/1qbiCKrbbYc?si=V8U_mioTmlaDpynM

At times, it smacks of a Monty Python skit.

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