[FRIAM] The entropy of thought

[Marcus Daniels]

There will be a fate vs. the fate is knowable.  Not sure why people bring that distinction up as interesting.

 

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< The interesting question is where exactly does the deterministic system turn into something nondeterministic, and how?>

It doesn’t.  A deterministic system is a deterministic system.  

who might have first made the distinction : "deterministic but not pre-stateable"?

George offered:


Year

Thinker

Conceptual Expression


1931

Kurt Gödel

Incompleteness: truths not derivable


1936

Alan Turing

Halting problem: uncomputable predictions


1970s

Heinz von Foerster

Second-order cybernetics: unknowability of future


1991

Robert Rosen

Closure to efficient causation; entailment limits


1993

Stuart Kauffman

Adjacent possible; unprestatable evolution


2005

Gregory Chaitin

Incompressible but defined numbers (e.g., Ω)

 

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