[FRIAM] Choroquine-phosphate Death

[Michel Bloch]

I don’t if Professor Raoult is right or not, but, for him, the word « idiot » is inappropriate, you might use “character » or “unusual” or “bizarre”: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Didier_Raoult#Citations

 

Amicalement

Michel Bloch

 <http://mountvernon.fr/> http://mountvernon.fr/

06 80 57 3398

 

De : Friam <friam-bounces at redfish.com> De la part de Steven A Smith
Envoyé : mardi 24 mars 2020 16:27
À : friam at redfish.com
Objet : Re: [FRIAM] Choroquine-phosphate Death

 

 

On 3/24/20 8:56 AM, Prof David West wrote:

France is pushing chloroquine hard. A FriAMer has relatives there.

 

Just because the first person that told people about this was an idiot does not make the information wrong.

 

He was far from the first, just the loudest/brashest.   He *would* have us believe that he personally *discovered* this off-label use...   but that IS how he rolls.. no surprises.

There is a presumed responsibility when you have a megaphone.  But that is one of the broken norms for worse (and better). 

The unintended consequences of his mass-tweet/news-conference/rally announcements are sweeping.  I do not believe he *intended* to cause a slam on the chloroquine supply chain, nor for self-described self-reliant folks like the AZ couple to run out and make a small/obvious but terminal mistake.

 

davew

 

 

On Tue, Mar 24, 2020, at 2:53 PM, Barry MacKichan wrote:

Elon Musk had a serious brush with malaria about 20 years ago, and is evidently one of the insistent sources pushing for chloroquine. Sorry, I don’t have references.

—Barry

On 24 Mar 2020, at 0:42, Steven A Smith wrote:

My first reaction to this was:  THANK YOU DEAR LEADER!

 

 <https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/briannasacks/man-died-chloroquine-phosphate-coronavirus> https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/briannasacks/man-died-chloroquine-phosphate-coronavirus

 

But, I don't know if we can attribute this kind of accident to POTUS45

or not... my gut instinct is that his constant raving about it is what

triggered these people to give it a whirl.

 

I have one toe in the survivalist/prepper community and they are known

for aquiring and stockpiling antibiotics sold for fish/aquariums.   All

the major human antibiotics have fish equivalents FishMox and FishFlox

for example.   There is much discussion/lore/wisdom in that community

around which products/sources are actually pharmaceutical-grade and

honest-dosage and well-regulated.   I didn't know of chloroquine 

phosphate or it's use... they are saying "cleaning" but I think they

mean disinfecting.  It sounds to me that the problem was dosage, not

contamination, but the product they used may have been cut or mixed with

something toxic to humans.

 

I've a friend who lived in Ghana for years with Peace Corps who

contracted malaria and was medicated with one of the chloroquine drugs. 

He understood then (25 years ago) that it was the third world's

"silver-bullet" and in his case it turned his symptoms around

(life-threatening) in hours (on an IV).... his response to this

prescription-from-POTUS is that the death rate in the third world could

spike if the first world diverts their supply (probably coming from

China?) abruptly for  our own use.  

 

I also heard that patients depending on these chloroquines in the first

world are already finding that the supplies are drying up and many

cannot get their usual refills.   Doh!

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