[FRIAM] Warring Darwinians for Glen, Steve

[Marcus Daniels]

That’s hilarious.

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Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Warring Darwinians for Glen, Steve

http://www.humansnotinvited.com/

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On Tue, May 5, 2020 at 5:08 PM Marcus Daniels <marcus at snoutfarm.com<mailto:marcus at snoutfarm.com>> wrote:
Oh, you SAY you do.   Someday we’ll get Neuralink hardware on you and then WE WILL SEE.

From: Friam <friam-bounces at redfish.com<mailto:friam-bounces at redfish.com>> on behalf of Frank Wimberly <wimberly3 at gmail.com<mailto:wimberly3 at gmail.com>>
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Date: Tuesday, May 5, 2020 at 2:04 PM
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Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Warring Darwinians for Glen, Steve

Dammit, Nick.  I can and frequently do spend hours planning, remembering, composing emails, fantasizing about my next car, etc  without exhibiting any remarkable behavior beyond eyeblinking, touching my face (don't!), crossing and uncrossing my legs.  We've been through this before but  what is my latest plan about what to do when my auto lease is up?  No one knows but me despite your claim that I don't have private access to these kinds of things.



On Tue, May 5, 2020 at 1:36 PM <thompnickson2 at gmail.com<mailto:thompnickson2 at gmail.com>> wrote:
Hi,Glen,

Careful.  Isn't the formulation "inner world" entirely contradictory?

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Nicholas Thompson
Emeritus Professor of Ethology and Psychology
Clark University
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Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Warring Darwinians for Glen, Steve

However, I think we can come up with a (maybe someday) testable hypothesis based on hidden states. In principle, if EricC's principle is taken seriously, the inner world of a black box device will be *completely* represented on its surface (ala the holographic principle). Any information not exhibited by a black box's *behavior* will be lost/random.

This implies something about the compressibility and information content of the black box's behavior, right?

On 5/5/20 10:38 AM, Prof David West wrote:
> This does not advance an argument against the possibility of a computer thinking — merely an assertion that "behavior" is not a valid basis upon which to argue that they do.


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