[FRIAM] Warring Darwinians for Glen, Steve

[Frank Wimberly]

"We record/observe *all* your behavior down to the minutest level... " is
impossible.

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Frank C. Wimberly
140 Calle Ojo Feliz,
Santa Fe, NM 87505

505 670-9918
Santa Fe, NM

On Tue, May 5, 2020, 4:13 PM Steven A Smith <sasmyth at swcp.com> wrote:

>
> On 5/5/20 3:04 PM, Frank Wimberly wrote:
>
> Dammit, Nick.  I can and frequently do spend hours planning, remembering,
> composing emails, fantasizing about my next car, etc  without exhibiting
> any remarkable behavior beyond eyeblinking, touching my face (don't!),
> crossing and uncrossing my legs.  We've been through this before but  what
> is my latest plan about what to do when my auto lease is up?  No one knows
> but me despite your claim that I don't have private access to these kinds
> of things.
>
> And following (weakly I am sure) Glen's reference to "holographically", I
> believe that if we record/observe *all* of your behaviour down to the
> minutest detail, we can learn a LOT about that inner state.    If we had
> that data from the *last* time you approached buying a new car (maybe years
> out) we might recognize the specific patterns of leg-crossing and
> eye-blinking and chair-leaning that go with fantasizing about that
> muscle-car inspired anti-proton powered 6 wheel-drive hub-motor flying car
> you have been jonesing on!
>
> I'm somewhat with Glen (as I understand him in this conversation) on the
> ideation that inner and outer is somewhat mutable.    Sometimes the 6-rotor
> flying drone-car I fantasize (and blame on Frank) flitting around in is
> *part of* *me* and other times it is what I interface *to* and *it*
> interfaces (mostly) to the air (and sometimes to the water, the ground, and
> unfortunately a tall tree here and there).    When I am composing a message
> *to* this august body named FriAM, I often think of youse alls as
> "external" to me, but if I'm talking to one of the philistines in my life
> who do NOT spend all their time talking/thinking about these kinds of
> things (whatever these kinds are), I sometimes think of myself as being
> *of* "the FriAM" rather than "in the FriAM" (or is that FriAM pan?).
>
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, May 5, 2020 at 1:36 PM <thompnickson2 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi,Glen,
>>
>> Careful.  Isn't the formulation "inner world" entirely contradictory?
>>
>> N
>>
>> Nicholas Thompson
>> Emeritus Professor of Ethology and Psychology
>> Clark University
>> ThompNickSon2 at gmail.com
>> https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Friam <friam-bounces at redfish.com> On Behalf Of u?l? ?
>> Sent: Tuesday, May 5, 2020 12:50 PM
>> To: FriAM <friam at redfish.com>
>> Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Warring Darwinians for Glen, Steve
>>
>> However, I think we can come up with a (maybe someday) testable
>> hypothesis based on hidden states. In principle, if EricC's principle is
>> taken seriously, the inner world of a black box device will be *completely*
>> represented on its surface (ala the holographic principle). Any information
>> not exhibited by a black box's *behavior* will be lost/random.
>>
>> This implies something about the compressibility and information content
>> of the black box's behavior, right?
>>
>> On 5/5/20 10:38 AM, Prof David West wrote:
>> > This does not advance an argument against the possibility of a computer
>> thinking — merely an assertion that "behavior" is not a valid basis upon
>> which to argue that they do.
>>
>>
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