[FRIAM] why some people hate cops

[George Duncan]

I am in accord with Stephen's remarks. Though I do think some engage in
hyperbole without really meaning what they say, we have far too much hate
in this world. Also, the broad use of the term "cops" and "religious
persons" is inappropriate in this forum. Specificially I might or might not
consider myself to be a religious person since I am member of the United
Church of Christ here in Santa Fe and have been active with Beit Midrash at
Temple Beth Shalom. Should I now consider myself hated?

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On Thu, Sep 24, 2020 at 12:16 PM Stephen Guerin <stephen.guerin at simtable.com>
wrote:

> Marcus writes:
>
>    I guess the only thing I hate more than cops are religious people.
>
>
> As a list admin, this might be flaggable.  I'm not sure if expressing
> hatred of a protected class of people in of itself is hate speech- it seems
> to be at least up to the line. Ie, replace with "The two groups I hate more
> than cops are gays and black people" - would I have a responsibility to
> intercede?
>
> As I consider the impotence of this group to take political action and
> incite political violence I consider the statement low to zero risk. I will
> take no action as a list admin. Intellectually, I would like to know where
> the line of hate speech is.
>
> Now, as a fellow list member and religious person, I find your hate an
> opportunity for discussion and exploration.  I would estimate your emotion
> is held by at least a rough majority of list members.
>
> The Science / Religion schism, I think it is one of the great divides in
> our political situation and may signify a phase transition in our culture
> as we stretch for new metaphors in scientific and spiritual understanding.
> The 2000-year old metaphors are certainly getting long in the tooth.
> Similarly, many on this list feel the 60-year-old scientific metaphors
> around fundamental questions of intelligence and living systems are in the
> process of updating and exploration. I suspect there will be opportunities
> for synthesis.
>
>  Perhaps Merle would like to facilitate a virtualFriam on the topic.
>
> -Stephen
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