[FRIAM] “Don’t they have grandchildren?” was The case for universal basic income UBI

[Russ Abbott]

Glen is right. I was quoting McKibbon writing about Weintrobe. Of course I
did that because I thought that see made an important point. Here's the
extract again.

 "Weintrobe writes that people’s psyches are divided into caring and
uncaring parts, and the conflict between them “is at the heart of great
literature down the ages, and all major religions.” The uncaring part wants
to put ourselves first; it’s the narcissistic corners of the brain that
persuade each of us that we are uniquely important and deserving, and make
us want to except ourselves from the rules that society or morality set so
that we can have what we want. “Most people’s caring self is strong enough
to hold their inner exception in check,” she notes, but, troublingly, “ours
is the Golden Age of Exceptionalism.”  ...


 I found this interesting because it related back to our earlier discussion
of reciprocity. If it is in our nature to have these two warring parts of
our psyches, there is probably no hope that the "caring part" will ever
fully triumph over the "uncaring part" and reliably hold the uncaring part
in check. Presumably, this has to do with evolution and the need for both
parts for successful long-term survival of a species.

If you buy that, and I think it's right, then what kind of society can be
constructed of organisms with these two components that drive their
behavior? That's the question we've been struggling with both in this
discussion and over the ages. The answer presumably has to do with as much
freedom as possible but freedom reigned in by enforced rules that prevent
our uncaring parts from destroying that society.

The neoliberalism discussion has to do with the observation that our
society has been moving in the direction of giving the uncaring parts too
much power.

-- Russ Abbott
Professor, Computer Science
California State University, Los Angeles


On Sat, May 22, 2021 at 6:42 AM Pieter Steenekamp <
pieters at randcontrols.co.za> wrote:

> Thank you DaveW, I support this!
>
>
> On Sat, 22 May 2021 at 04:53, Prof David West <profwest at fastmail.fm>
> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> What started the problem (at least in the West)"
>>
>> *"Then God said, “Let us make humankind in our image, according to our
>> likeness; and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the
>> birds of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the wild animals of the
>> earth, and over every creeping thing that creeps upon the earth.”
>> [Christian Bible]*
>>
>> Potential way out:
>>
>> *Those who have taken upon them to lay down the law of nature as a thing
>> already searched out and understood, whether they have spoken in simple
>> assurance or professional affectation, have therein done philosophy and the
>> sciences great injury. For as they have been successful in inducing belief,
>> so they have been effective in quenching and stopping inquiry; and have
>> done more harm by spoiling and putting an end to other men's efforts than
>> good by their own. Those on the other hand who have taken a contrary
>> course, and asserted that absolutely nothing can be known — whether it were
>> from hatred of the ancient sophists, or from uncertainty and fluctuation of
>> mind, or even from a kind of fullness of learning, that they fell upon this
>> opinion — have certainly advanced reasons for it that are not to be
>> despised; but yet they have neither started from true principles nor rested
>> in the just conclusion, zeal and affectation having carried them much too
>> far... [Sir Francis Bacon]*
>>
>> *davew*
>>
>>
>> On Fri, May 21, 2021, at 4:21 PM, Frank Wimberly wrote:
>>
>> Sorry.  I admire your memory.
>>
>> ---
>> Frank C. Wimberly
>> 140 Calle Ojo Feliz,
>> Santa Fe, NM 87505
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>> 505 670-9918
>> Santa Fe, NM
>>
>> On Fri, May 21, 2021, 3:11 PM uǝlƃ ↙↙↙ <gepropella at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Only about 100,000 times. >8^D The trick is whether or not you believe
>> that sort of modeling is mechanistic or *merely* generative.
>>
>> On 5/21/21 2:08 PM, Frank Wimberly wrote:
>> > Did I already post this here?
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> https://www.researchgate.net/publication/228446085_Simulation_validation_using_Causal_Inference_Theory_with_morphological_constraints#fullTextFileContent
>> <
>> https://www.researchgate.net/publication/228446085_Simulation_validation_using_Causal_Inference_Theory_with_morphological_constraints#fullTextFileContent
>> >
>> > ---
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