[FRIAM] Slow AI

[Steve Smith]

REC -

So prophetic!   love the coining of "gold" goo... and the idea of 
psuedopodia...   I'm sure I read this 12.5 years ago, but like the good 
LLM I am, I lost any possibility of attribution as soon as I'd trained 
on it!

-SAS

On 1/28/24 3:07 PM, Roger Critchlow wrote:
> From: *Roger Critchlow* <rec at elf.org>
> Date: Sun, Oct 23, 2011 at 11:10 AM
> Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Fwd: Next Dictator
> To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <friam at redfish.com>
>
>
> I keep thinking that the next big dictator isn't new.
>
> Das Kapital is an artificial life form which by a process of natural 
> selection pursues its own preservation and growth. It doesn't care 
> which individuals or institutions survive or perish in the process, it 
> just moves and grows where the return on investment takes it.  It has 
> no ethics, no morality, and no sense of humor.
>
> Daniel Kahneman in 
> http://www.nytimes.com/2011/10/23/magazine/dont-blink-the-hazards-of-confidence.html mentions 
> analyzing 8 years of investment results for 25 successful 
> investment advisers.  Though these were all experienced and confident 
> men, the average year to year correlation in their results was 0.01.  
> The highly rewarded experts of finance have no real idea what they're 
> doing, they are highly rewarded for an "illusion of skill", they play 
> roulette with style and their clients buy them expensive clothes to do 
> it in.  The news didn't faze them a bit;  that they can do what they 
> do and get rewarded for it is all the affirmation they need.
>
> In dealing with Das Kapital, I think we're pretty much all in the same 
> boat.  No one knows where the slime mold will choose to extend its 
>  pseudopodia, or which of the pseudopodia will thrive or wither, or 
> what the novel beneficial or lamentable consequences will be.  Some of 
> us worry about the suffering caused by the gold-goo-excrement, others 
> worry about not killing the beast that makes the gold-goo, many just 
> fight for the largest share they can get, and most of us could care 
> less until the bucket of gold-goo-excrement lands in our neighborhood 
> or the gold-goo pseudopod feeding our investments dries up.
>
> --rec --
>
> On Sun, Jan 28, 2024 at 2:48 PM Roger Critchlow <rec at elf.org> wrote:
>
>     Das Kapital is our most successful experiment in artificial life,
>     but it's still feral and no one has the least clue how to
>     domesticate it, and the grey goo we're constructing is a mass of
>     collateralized debt instruments.
>
>     -- rec --
>
>
>     On Sun, Jan 28, 2024 at 11:03 AM Steve Smith <sasmyth at swcp.com> wrote:
>
>         https://doctorow.medium.com/solar-is-a-market-for-financial-lemons-ea00699fe0a2
>         <https://doctorow.medium.com/solar-is-a-market-for-financial-lemons-ea00699fe0a2>
>
>         I suspect the opinions among the members of this list range
>         widely on Doctorow's work, my general response to him is a
>         guarded positive.
>
>         I offer this article to you nominally about the problems with
>         rooftop-solar "gaming" but as a reflection on Corporations
>         (and I claim governments, religions, other institutions) as
>         "slow AI".   Rooftop Solar is just a contemporary somewhat
>         benign case-study.
>
>         They are both contrived as "rule-based" systems and evolved in
>         the same mode as Machine Learning Models.
>
>         The 2023 rush of AI/ML into the public's eye and hands might
>         well overwhelm us with false-paths to individual and
>         collective prosperity.   Opportunities for dead-ends or
>         overshoots abound in the harsh light of "reward hacking"
>         <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reward_hacking>?
>
>         And then we have the spectre of
>
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